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Why your parents are ripping you off
BBC News ^ | Tuesday, 23 March, 2004 | By Laurence Kotlikoff

Posted on 03/23/2004 4:04:37 AM PST by gd124

Are we heading for conflict between the older and younger generations? It's the scenario played out in this week's drama documentary If...the Generations Fall Out.

Will the young rebel against paying to support an ageing population? Far-fetched? Not so, says Laurence Kotlikoff, professor of economics at Boston University, who thinks that unless the baby boomers pay up, parents and children could soon be at war.

Whether we want to accept it or not, the entire developed world is getting old, indeed, very old.

Over the next three decades the numbers of oldsters in the EU, Japan, and the US will more than double, while the number of workers expected to pay the elderly their state pension and health care benefits will rise by less than 10%.

The developed world is not just getting old. It's going to get old and then get even older. In 2100, the elderly share of developed world populations will be higher than in any year in this century.

The magnitude of the prospective ageing is hard to wrap one's head around.

In 2030, the entire United States will be older than present-day Florida.

Two decades later, the number of old-old Americans, those 85 and older, will suffice to fill up New York, Los Angeles, Chicago, and several other major US cities.

And the number of American centenarians in 2050 will suffice to populate Washington DC.

Imagine visiting Washington DC and not meeting anyone younger than 100.

Fiscal strain

If this sounds old, note that America will be the young kid on the block. Both Europe and Japan will be significantly older than the United States.

This demographic phenomenon is unprecedented in human history.

It will generate enormous social, political, economic, and fiscal strains, the prospects of which are being largely ignored by our political leaders.

With respect to fiscal strains, we need to realise that right here and right now the developed world is bankrupt; there is no possibility of raising taxes high enough to cover all the pension and health care benefits promised to current and future retirees.

And trying to drop the entire bill into our children's laps isn't any solution. It's not only immoral, it's also infeasible. Doing so would entail more than doubling their lifetime rates of taxation.

Unstoppable force

Radically and immediately restructuring and cutting benefit programs is essential, but, it seems, politically unacceptable. But when an unstoppable force meets an immovable barrier, something has to give.

What will give in this case is the printing press.

Governments throughout the developed world will resort to printing money to "pay" what they owe. The result will be extended periods of very high inflation, if not hyperinflation, during which governments renege on what they owe by paying their bills with waterdown currency.

There are meaningful, if very painful, policy reforms that can still save the day.

But they have to be undertaken immediately.

These reforms include asking the current rich and middle class elderly to help pay off existing government pension liabilities and then setting up a rational, efficient, inexpensive, and highly diversified system of individual compulsory saving accounts.

Another key reform is providing government health care to the elderly through a voucher system in which individual vouchers are determined based on the elderly recipient's current health status and the overall expenditure on vouchers is capped at what the country can afford.

Another Argentina?

Another key reform is to switch from economically meaningless deficit accounting to generational accounting - a new method of long-term fiscal planning that focuses on the fiscal burden to be handed to young and future generations.

These and other reforms could keep the developed world from becoming another Argentina, but their acceptance by the public will require a degree of maturity and concern for the next generation that goes far beyond anything we've seen to date.

This grim assessment suggests that we each need to look out for ourselves and plan for a much rougher retirement ride than we had expected.

This entails saving much more, thinking about how to avoid future taxes, looking out for high future rates of inflation, and realising that when the fiscal system implodes, the economy will do likewise.

Professor Kotlikoff has written a book on the issue called: The Coming Generational Storm: What You Need to Know About America's Economic Future.

He is also taking part in the BBC programme If...the Generations Fall Out which will be broadcast in the UK on BBC Two on Wednesday, 24 March, 2004 at 2100 GMT.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; US: Massachusetts; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: argentina; babyboomers; boomers; economiccollapse; inflation; old; socialsecurity; welfare; young
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Will the young rebel against paying to support an ageing population?

In the film, the young protest under the slogan: We pay, they play

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1 posted on 03/23/2004 4:04:37 AM PST by gd124
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To: gd124
Isn't this already happening in Germany? It's gotten to the point that to balance things out, they want to give babies the right to vote.

What a future is in store for this system of things.
2 posted on 03/23/2004 4:08:57 AM PST by DameAutour (It's not Bush, it's the Congress.)
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To: gd124
BBC is WAY behind on this. My generation (I'm 19) has already started to trend away from massive entitlements. If only the Republicans would own up to the idea of making Social Security optional...
3 posted on 03/23/2004 4:09:22 AM PST by Terpfen (Re-elect Bush; kill terrorists now, fix Medicare later.)
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To: Terpfen
My youngest is about your age. I've been paying into the SS System since 1969. Write me a check for what I put in, even without interest and we'll call it even.
4 posted on 03/23/2004 4:13:12 AM PST by wtc911 (Doesn't matter if your head is in the sand or up your a**, the view is the same.)
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5 posted on 03/23/2004 4:18:08 AM PST by Revelation 911
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To: wtc911
Amen.
6 posted on 03/23/2004 4:25:06 AM PST by Gerasimov (My last tag line sucked, so now I have this one.)
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To: gd124
Let's be honest. Who's really doing the ripping off? After paying into Social Security for forty years, my father died at age 63, never having collected a cent of it back.

Talk about a rip off.

7 posted on 03/23/2004 4:25:10 AM PST by tdadams (If there were no problems, politicians would have to invent them... wait, they already do.)
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To: gd124
The more likely scenario in he US is the Reconquistas will refuse to pay the Gringos.
8 posted on 03/23/2004 4:26:31 AM PST by Moonman62
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To: gd124
Its a giant Ponzi scheme, otherwise known as the Pyramid scam. If you or I were running such a scheme, we'd be hauled off to JAIL. If politicians do it, they are lauded as "caring".
9 posted on 03/23/2004 4:29:07 AM PST by Paradox (I really have no clue, I just like the sound of my typing.)
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To: wtc911; Terpfan
I've been paying in for enough years to matter. I'll gladly forfeit mine entirely if they let me out now. I'll still do way better than what I'd get from Social Security if I'd invest it myself the rest of my working years.

Sadly, Social Security has created a dependent class across the entire political spectrum.

10 posted on 03/23/2004 4:29:40 AM PST by tdadams (If there were no problems, politicians would have to invent them... wait, they already do.)
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To: gd124
I guess it would be time for the geezers to get back to work.
11 posted on 03/23/2004 4:30:49 AM PST by demlosers
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To: DameAutour; gd124
The aging demographic will be more of a problem in those countries that are classified as developing.

There is already a shifting in the birth/longevity balance in much of Asia, Latin Americas, Africa and the Arab world. Because of western medicine and vaccines provided primarily by the US a greater number of people in these regions are living longer. Their "productive" life is not generally increasing though. Long term debilitating health problems like diabetes, cardio/vasc and pulminary diseases, that were not of issue in prior generations because more aggressive diseases were unchecked are now creating a new class of citizen in these areas...the older, infirm, non-productive parent/grandparent.

The economic impact of this shift is three-fold and deadly:

The older generation lives longer but as a non-productive societal member needing care.

The younger generation's window in which to accumulate the personal capital needed to build wealth will be narrowed and capital that has been accumulated will be diverted to elder care rather than to wealth building.

These countries do not have an infrastructure devoted to health/elder care. Monies will need to be spent to build one.

Unless the developing nations make near miraculous strides toward long term economic viability in the next two decades the window will close and their own elders will become their greatest economic burden.

12 posted on 03/23/2004 4:40:52 AM PST by wtc911 (Doesn't matter if your head is in the sand or up your a**, the view is the same.)
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To: Moonman62
Agree 100%. The reason why our borders have not been secured is so that we can allow millions of baby-makers in to create a financial base for Social Security, etc. We give them food stamps, health care, etc. Later, when they have overwhelmed us with their numbers, they will kick us to the curb.
13 posted on 03/23/2004 4:45:04 AM PST by DC native
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To: gd124
These reforms include asking the current rich and middle class elderly to help

They've been "helping" a lot already via taxation.

Why not just give 'em their money back, and call it even?

14 posted on 03/23/2004 4:45:19 AM PST by Jim Noble (Now you go feed those hogs before they worry themselves into anemia!)
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15 posted on 03/23/2004 4:47:27 AM PST by BraveMan
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To: gd124
Remember when Newt brought up orphanages, and there was a public outcry lamenting images of Oliver Twist and abused children? Well if they don't want to "reform" SS to allow for personal ownership and savings, this is what I propose:

No more cash payments of SS, starting in say, 25 years. If you are old and need assistance, you can either get help from your family, or you can check in to a nice, government run retirement hell hole. You get a roof over your head (and probably a roommate), 3 squares a day, and a nurse on hand to wipe your chin.

I believe that would provide a decent incentive for people to save for retirement, and would cut costs tremendously. Never mind the details right now, just threaten them with "the home", and see what kind of reform we get.

16 posted on 03/23/2004 4:48:25 AM PST by Mr. Bird
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To: gd124
Thanks for the post.

My dearly departed father had said this was coming since Roosevelt, and again when Johnson became President. All their social(ist) programs were based on the young paying for the old and workers paying for bums. He tore up his AARP card back in the 80's after just having it a year, calling that group a bunch of Socialist B*st*rds. He claimed he didn't fight in W.W.2 for our Nation to become exactly what he fought against.
17 posted on 03/23/2004 4:50:01 AM PST by moonman
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To: tdadams
Remember that your employer must match your Social Security/Medicare payments. That is a cost of employment by the employer that could otherwise have been paid to the employee. When an employee dies before collecting any benefits both the employee and the employer loose.
18 posted on 03/23/2004 4:54:07 AM PST by Nakota
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To: tdadams
My dad got one check a few days before he died. On the other hand, my mom collects them now. On the other other hand, she's still paying in and thanks to SS policy and MA taxes her earnings are effectively capped (her marginal tax rate gets very high).
19 posted on 03/23/2004 4:58:24 AM PST by palmer (Solutions, not just slogans -JFKerry)
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To: tdadams
Let's be honest. Who's really doing the ripping off? After paying into Social Security for forty years, my father died at age 63, never having collected a cent of it back.

Unfortunately for him, and for everyone else, your father is, so far, the exception in that - for the majority of people who have already begun collecting Social Security, they get back everything they ever put into the fund within two to three years, and then go on to collect far more than they ever put in. Of course, that's not sustainable, as the boomers are due to find out in a very unpleasant fashion:

My grandparents got a pretty sweet deal from SS, but my arents are kind of up the creek due to the size of their demographic bubble, and at this rate, I'll be in even worse shape. The system is broken, and cannot continue in this fashion.

20 posted on 03/23/2004 5:02:22 AM PST by general_re (The doors to Heaven and Hell are adjacent and identical... - Nikos Kazantzakis)
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