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Will teens, young adults embrace same-sex ‘marriage’?
BP News ^ | 3-5-04 | Michael Foust

Posted on 03/08/2004 9:06:07 AM PST by truthandlife

If same-sex “marriage” is legalized nationwide in America, as some believe it will be, then the liberal views of teenagers and young adults are sure to play a large role.

This view is widespread among same-sex “marriage” supporters, who constantly cite polls showing what they claim are America’s changing attitudes. Teens, they say, are embracing homosexual “marriage.”

Deb Price, who works for The Detroit News, wrote a column last year about two high school students, Amanda Blair and Stephanie Haaser, who fought to change their respective schools’ attitudes on homosexuality. Price, a homosexual, believes same-sex “marriage” may be inevitable.

“The gay-friendly generation of Blair and Haaser will eventually take control of the most powerful jobs in the corporate, political and educational worlds,” she wrote.

Others agree.

Recently, during a protest against marriage laws in Illinois, a woman in Chicago told the local newspaper: “In 100 years, history books will look back on what's happening right now with judgment.”

Conservatives in recent years have been emboldened by polls showing that teenagers are more pro-life than their parents. But, if the polls are right, those same teens also are more likely to embrace same-sex “marriage.” Although polls differ, nearly all of them show that teens are at least 10 percentage points more likely to embrace changing the definition of marriage.

Consider:

-- A December New York Times poll showed that Americans opposed same-sex “marriage” by a margin of 61-34 percent. But the results among 18-29-years-olds were just the opposite -- 56 percent supportive, 40 percent opposed.

-- A February Newsweek poll showed that 47 percent of Americans favored either same-sex “marriage” or civil unions (23 percent marriage, 24 percent civil unions). But 58 percent of 18-29-year-olds favored some form of recognition (39 percent marriage, 19 percent civil unions).

The million-dollar question is this: Will those same teenagers and young adults stick with those beliefs?

“[O]ne would have to question, ‘Well, when they grow up and get older will they be like today’s older people, or will they carry with them these attitudes throughout their lives?’” political analyst Michael Barone told Baptist Press. “I could make a plausible argument for either position. I don’t know which one is right.”

The generation gap has been influenced by everything from television to academia to parenting, leaders say.

“I attribute it to the unrelenting pro-homosexual propaganda that they’ve grown up with,” said Peter Sprigg, director of the Family Research Council's Center for Marriage and Family Studies. “I think that although the majority of Americans overall still oppose homosexual marriage and oppose homosexuality, there is an overwhelming pro-homosexual bias in some of our major cultural institutions, such as academia, such as the news media and particularly the entertainment media, which is very influential with young people.

“I think we have a whole generation that has been raised on pro-homosexual mythology.”

Sprigg says higher education has been a big culprit, with public schools playing a smaller role. He notes that polls show that those with a college education are more likely to support same-sex “marriage.”

“That’s not because they’re more intelligent,” he said. “It’s because they’ve been subjected to this kind of teaching.”

Young people also have been raised on MTV, which promotes homosexuality through such programs as the “Real World,” and network television, which increasingly has added homosexual characters to its programming in recent years.

“The gay character is always depicted as the wisest, the funniest, the best dressed, the most stylish, the most reasonable,” Sprigg said. “That’s a very subtle but effective form of propaganda, I believe.”

In addition to television and academia, the breakdown of the family also has played a large role in shaping the attitudes of teens and young adults, some say.

“Since the late 1960s there has been an increasingly smaller percentage of parents rearing children from a uniquely biblical perspective,” said Richard Ross, professor of student ministries at Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary and spokesperson for the abstinence-focused True Love Waits program for teenagers.

“Until this present generation of teenagers came on the scene, we were seeing -- reflected in each succeeding group of teenagers -- a smaller percentage embracing biblical values. Interestingly among teenagers in 2004, on some measures we are seeing teenagers more conservative than their parents.”

But same-sex “marriage” is an exception. Ross quoted a yet-to-be-published study by University of North Carolina researchers showing that teens have what he termed an “absolute resistance” to passing “judgment on any faith, philosophy or lifestyle.”

“We have trained the teenagers to believe that truth is relative and to believe we must be tolerant to all,” he said. “And that teaching has been uniformly successful.”

Sprigg called the current homosexual movement the “culmination” of the sexual revolution that began in the mid-20th century that taught “you should be able to have sex with anybody you want, whenever you want.”

Many people become more conservative when they marry and have children Sprigg said, adding that that could happen to the younger generation.

“[I]f they had a child in first grade and suddenly discovered their child was being taught about homosexuality in their first-grade public school classroom, I think it would give them pause, and they would say, ‘Wait a second, this is going too far,’” he said.

Ross isn’t so optimistic.

“I think instruction in tolerance has been so pervasive that teenagers will likely carry this perspective into adulthood unless there is very quick and very clear teaching in an opposite direction,” he said. “I am not hopeful, though, that this will take place. The vast majority of faithful parents in the church have abdicated Christian instruction to the church. Parents have come to believe that faithfully taxiing teenagers to and from the church fulfills their responsibility. This grieves me because parents have the power to shape lifetime values within their teenagers.”

One reason teens and young adults have different views, Sprigg said, is because they confuse what he believes are two very different issues. One concerns the victimization of homosexuals, the other the definition of marriage.

“They don’t want to see [homosexuals] harassed and [be] the victims of violence,” he said. “We agree with that.... [But] I think it is possible to separate the marriage issue from other concerns. Just because you’re upset that some homosexuals are the victims of hate crimes doesn’t mean that you have to grant same-sex marriage rights. It just doesn’t logically follow.”


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1 posted on 03/08/2004 9:06:15 AM PST by truthandlife
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To: truthandlife
They just won't get married at all because marriage will have been rendered meaningless.
2 posted on 03/08/2004 9:13:10 AM PST by Carry_Okie (The environment is too complex and too important to be managed by central planning.)
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To: truthandlife
Every group is "sometimes the victims of crime."
3 posted on 03/08/2004 9:18:59 AM PST by King Black Robe (With freedom of religion and speech now abridged, it is time to go after the press.)
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To: Carry_Okie
For a little perspective, in my teen years there was a lot of hoopla about gay rights and I had a lot of gay friends - thusly I was very pro-gay rights. I am now 31, have three children of my own, and while I'm "tolerant", I do agree that this "marriage" thing has gone too far. I've always had the thought that it's their business, keep it in their house, don't push it on me, and I'm fine with it. This is pushing it on me and mine - invading my house. Bottom line, even though I was raised in the Northwest liberal arena, I am strongly against these "marriages" and have been led to re-think the whole acceptance issue. Does that make sense? There is hope...
4 posted on 03/08/2004 9:26:30 AM PST by momfirst
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To: momfirst
Bottom line, even though I was raised in the Northwest liberal arena, I am strongly against these "marriages" and have been led to re-think the whole acceptance issue. Does that make sense? There is hope...

I grew up in San Francisco, so I guess I understand your story rather well.

6 posted on 03/08/2004 9:32:05 AM PST by Carry_Okie (The environment is too complex and too important to be managed by central planning.)
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To: truthandlife
It really does seem like the "awkward time" spoken of by Claire Wolfe is drawing to an end. This kind of crap makes me just want to get it started, so we can get it over with and start cleaning up the mess.

Scouts Out! Cavalry Ho!

8 posted on 03/08/2004 9:38:17 AM PST by wku man
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To: truthandlife
“I attribute it to the unrelenting pro-homosexual propaganda that they’ve grown up with,”

That is certainly one reason. The other, more important reason however, is simply that they are not married yet and don't really understand what marriage is and it's importance. They will turn against gay marriage as they get married and realize how hard it is to instill values in their children. By the way, I'm a young adult and do not accept gay marriage in any capacity.
9 posted on 03/08/2004 9:38:44 AM PST by Betaille (The city put the country back in me)
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To: pugmehon
"Your governmental marriage (beside your vow) was the setting up of a corporation"

Okay Ralph Nader. That is the most pro-gay marriage statement I have ever seen... are you sure you belong on FR?
10 posted on 03/08/2004 9:40:23 AM PST by Betaille (The city put the country back in me)
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To: truthandlife
Those leftists are always happy that the next generation agrees with them. Children make the easiest dupes.

As people enter maturity, they become more conservative.

Hence, the next generation will eventually see through the lies and cant and see the truth for what it is.

Remember: everything they say about gay marriage is a LIE. They will do anything to undermine the family.
11 posted on 03/08/2004 9:50:56 AM PST by rogueleader
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To: momfirst
I'm the other way around. In my teen and college years -- well, I can't say I was anti-Gay; I just didn't care one way or another.

Then I met my wife. Her best friend -- and now a good friend of mine -- was gay. We didn't have any official honor attendents at our wedding, but he was basically head usher and attendent for both of us -- not to mention hairdresser for my wife, both mothers, and my (step-)daughter. A year later, he was godfather for my son.

So, yeah, I'm for gay marriages having the same legal standing as heterosexual, though I don't really care what legal terminology ends up being used.

I think to a certain extent, this is a function of being close friends with a homosexual. As increased tolerance results in more people being on close (non-sexual) terms with people they know are homosexual, they are going to want homosexuals to have the benefits of a legally recognized marriage.

Thus, I think legal recognition of homosexuality is highly likely in the long-run, though I suspect it will take something like 15-30 years, before it's settled.
12 posted on 03/08/2004 10:06:42 AM PST by Celtjew Libertarian (Shake Hands with the Serpent: Poetry by Charles Lipsig aka Celtjew http://books.lulu.com/lipsig)
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To: truthandlife
what i don't understand is why doesn't the media praise heterosexual marriage's? i mean we get no special treatmeant. Everything today is about being gay and thats just soo out there
13 posted on 03/08/2004 10:10:07 AM PST by shicky
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To: Betaille
The other, more important reason however, is simply that they are not married yet and don't really understand what marriage is and it's importance.

See my above post, but I'd also say being married has made me more pro-gay-marriage. As I understand the commitment that I made to my wife, I'm not inclined to forbid marriage to two homosexuals who make such a commitment to each other.

What marriage has made me more conservative on is divorce. For one thing, I'd favor a law that did away with "no fault" divorce.

14 posted on 03/08/2004 10:10:20 AM PST by Celtjew Libertarian (Shake Hands with the Serpent: Poetry by Charles Lipsig aka Celtjew http://books.lulu.com/lipsig)
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To: pugmehon
"is your being married being pushed on them, in their house? "

Hmmm...probably. I'm not in their house, so I can't say. I could skirt the issue in my own house, save for the fact that my middle school son had to pass by the line of couples waiting for their "marriage" license on the way to a school field trip - I didn't hear about the field trip, I heard about the hubub at the county office from my son. Brought it to the forefront of conversation, part of being a parent, what can I say?
15 posted on 03/08/2004 10:10:52 AM PST by momfirst
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To: Celtjew Libertarian
"As I understand the commitment that I made to my wife, I'm not inclined to forbid marriage to two homosexuals who make such a commitment to each other."
It's not the same commitment at all and you know it. I also have a close freind who came out of the closet recently, so please don't pull the "well I actually know gay people" schtik. You haven't really addressed the issue that it completely dilutes the definition of Marriage and will lead to less people bothering to get married in the traditional sense. For example, rather than getting married to a woman... why couldn't me and another straight friend have a same-sex marriage just so we c ould save money on our taxes, meanwhile we could still be heterosexual and have relationships with women "no strings attached".
16 posted on 03/08/2004 10:20:11 AM PST by Betaille (The city put the country back in me)
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To: truthandlife
If same-sex “marriage” is legalized nationwide in America, as some believe it will be, then the liberal views of teenagers and young adults are sure to play a large role.

I have many gay friends, some very close to me. But this is straining things; they will not even consider the argument that marriage is sanctioned for child rearing and property transfer. For them the issue is financial: "I should have my mate's social security benefits and retirement if they die, fairness dictates... " & etc.

So why not argue on the same terms? For example we could cite the likely result that companies, faced with rising health care benefit costs, will find this the straw that breaks the camel's back & deny extended benefits to worker's families. This could cost the average family thousands per year. Government & union employees will fight this, and their employers will fold. This will mean higher taxes, educational tuition costs, and utility costs.

These kinds of social "advances" invariably land on the backs of the middle class & if they can be made to understand this, their support will dissolve. Make it a pocketbook issue.

17 posted on 03/08/2004 10:21:39 AM PST by tsomer
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To: Betaille
For example, rather than getting married to a woman... why couldn't me and another straight friend have a same-sex marriage just so we c ould save money on our taxes, meanwhile we could still be heterosexual and have relationships with women "no strings attached

If that's what you want, why not? The problem is, IMO, that government has remained involved in marriage, since separating itself from its religious role. The legal document called "marriage" is a financial contract. It is not a vow before God. Given the ease of divorce, it has no guarantee of being a long-term commitment.

Personally, I consider a long-term, committed homosexual relationships -- and I'll also include consensual relationships of more than two adults -- to be more real of a marriage than a heterosexual couple who get married and a divorced after a few years because "it's too much of a struggle" or they "need their space."

In my view, it is the long-term commitment to share a household -- with or without children -- that makes the marriage. Hetero- or homosexual it is, in my view, the same commitment. It's marriage that is easily exited that dilutes marriage.

18 posted on 03/08/2004 10:30:13 AM PST by Celtjew Libertarian (Shake Hands with the Serpent: Poetry by Charles Lipsig aka Celtjew http://books.lulu.com/lipsig)
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To: Celtjew Libertarian
"long-term commitment to share a household -- with or without children -- that makes the marriage."

Wow! I never realized my college roomates and I were married. As for your complaining about the govt. recognizing marriage, Married couples need less taxes because they have to raise children, or will have to in the near future.
20 posted on 03/08/2004 10:33:21 AM PST by Betaille (The city put the country back in me)
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