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It's Offical: On Tuesday,Ohio Board of Education expected to put "doubt" in evolution
The Cincinnati Enquirer ^ | Sunday, March 7, 2004 | Jennifer Mrozowski

Posted on 03/07/2004 10:14:09 AM PST by yankeedame

Sunday, March 7, 2004

Ohio likely to put doubts into teaching of evolution

By Jennifer Mrozowski
The Cincinnati Enquirer

How did life begin? Did everything start with a big bang? Did God create the universe?

Questions like these have been at the center of controversy for nearly a century and Ohio is about to re-enter the debate.

On Tuesday, the Ohio Board of Education is expected to approve model science lessons - including a 10th-grade biology lesson with a critical look at the theory of evolution.

Most board members want to let students debate evolution in science classrooms.

The vote is attracting national attention, as Ohio public schools become the center of the debate on evolution versus "intelligent design."

Prominent organizations like the National Academy of Sciences have opposed the proposed curriculum. Endorsing the lesson plan are groups like the Discovery Institute, a Seattle-based nonprofit think tank. The institute's Center for Science and Culture challenges Darwinian evolution.

Ohio teachers have always been able to critically discuss evolution. But critics of the lesson plan say approval would make Ohio the first state to sanction public-school teaching of intelligent design, the theory that life is so complex that an intelligent being must have played a role in designing it.

Proponents say the lesson plan, which teachers would be expected but not required to follow next school year, simply allows a critical analysis of evolutionary theory.

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"There are some people who are so worried about students inquiring as to how much we know and don't know about the theory of evolution that they would rather have students not question it," said state board member Deborah Owens Fink, an associate professor of marketing and international business at the University of Akron.

Scientists say they don't dispute the need for critical analysis of scientific theories. Rather, some say, this lesson plan sounds too much like creationism, a God-based concept about the creation of life that they say violates the separation of church and state when taught in public schools. They cite Web sites and book references on intelligent design that are incorporated in the lesson plan as resources.

"It's not based in science," said Lynn Elfner, chief executive officer of the Ohio Academy of Science. "The creationists would argue the words 'intelligent design' are not there and that's true, but if it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it's still a duck."

A national debate

Ohio is the latest state to spar over the teaching of evolution, the theory that all species descended from a common ancestor and that changes occur naturally and over time in life forms.

Science standards and curricula on evolution have drawn fire in recent years in New Mexico, Minnesota, West Virginia, Georgia and Kansas. Just last month, Georgia's top education official dropped plans to remove the word "evolution" from the state's academic standards.

Debate erupted here in 2002 as Ohio began developing new science standards, or concepts that students in grades K-12 are expected to know and be tested on.

People disagreed on how to teach evolution, with some pressing for the inclusion of intelligent design. The state board compromised in December 2002 by including critical analysis of evolution.

In February, the board stated its intent to approve a set of lessons teachers could use to teach the science concepts. The 13-4 vote came after fierce debate and testimony from opposing groups, including the Intelligent Design Network, a national non-profit organization, and the Ohio Academy of Science.

The disputed lesson plan includes suggestions on how to guide students to critically analyze evolution. One lesson suggests a lack of evidence of major evolutionary changes in the fossil record.

However, evolutionists do use fossils as evidence oftransformations of species. They say fossils of transitional forms, like the Archaeopteryx, a reptile-like bird, show how some living forms evolved from earlier forms.

As a way to critically analyze evolution, the lesson plan encourages teachers to suggest that the Archaeopteryx is not a transitional form and that the fossil record instead shows sudden appearances of new biological forms. Critics say that belief is consistent with creationism.

Ohio school board member G.R. "Sam" Schloemer of Wyoming said the 21-page lesson on critical analysis of evolution is based on creationism or intelligent design and doesn't belong in public schools.

"There is no scientific evidence to support" intelligent design and creationism, Schloemer said. "Until Gov. Bob Taft gets involved and tells his appointed board members to forget about this, we will have it here in Ohio.

"That's in contrast to the governors of West Virginia, Texas, and more recently within the last month, the governor of Georgia, who said we are going to teach evolution and we're not going to bring in pseudoscience."

Orest Holubec, Taft's spokesman, said the governor supports the science standards and trusts the board will approve a curriculum based on the standards.

Supporters of intelligent design say the lesson plan does not refer to intelligent design.

"These standards limit themselves to simply addressing criticisms of evolution and I think that's perfectly appropriate," said John Calvert of Shawnee Mission, Kan., managing director of the Intelligent Design Network.

To suggest that evolution is the undeniable explanation for the creation of life is wrong because evolutionary theory assumes an intelligent being did not create life, Calvert said.

"When you ask the question of where does life come from, that unavoidably impacts religion," he said.

But the critical analysis unfairly singles out evolution, which is steeped in evidence and has been tested, said Marc Cron, science department chair for Harrison High School in the Southwest Local School District.

"I think that infers an intelligent design agenda," he said. "Why only have a scientific debate over evolution. Why not over plate tectonics? Why not gravity?"

Debate in class

Some teachers are leery of the proposed lessons, while others say they will continue to address students' questions as they arise.

Bob McMillan, biology teacher at Mount Healthy High School, said he starts his evolution lessons every year telling students he will stick to his area of expertise.

"I feel ill-equipped to teach theories that are not scientific in nature," he said. "If you want to learn about creation, then you need to see a priest, a pastor, a minister or someone more qualified to speak about it."

However, he teaches evolution as a theory and encourages students to critically analyze the theory. He tells students that people have other beliefs on the origin of life, including creationism.

Down the hall from McMillan, Edward Hornsby Jr., a physical and earth sciences teacher - and Evangelical Christian - said he doesn't preach his beliefs to students.

"Students need to be able to choose for themselves. I'm here to inform them but I don't want to push my beliefs on another person," he said.

Hornsby encourages critical analysis of evolution in his classroom.

"I tell them (evolutionary) theory has evidence to support it, but it's not 100 percent fact," he said.

Rick White, an advanced placement biology teacher at Finneytown High School said, "Some of the people making decisions, even at the state level, don't have a clear idea of how science works. In science, theory is something we take very seriously. It has withstood some testing over time. Evolution fits that definition very nicely. There's a huge amount of data suggesting life forms do change over time."

Students have conflicting viewpoints.

"Evolution and intelligent design should both be taught, said Sydney Bostwick, 17, a Norwood High School junior. "It is up to the teachers to teach and inform the students, and it is up to the students to decide what they choose to believe.

"If you only teach evolution, then it's like nothing else exists and that isn't true. After all, science is always changing and what we believe now might not be true 10 years from now."

Other students think intelligent design and religion-based theories on the origin of life should not be allowed in science classrooms.

"The main difference between science and religion is that religion is based on faith and personal belief, while science is based on fact and theory," said Daniel Zimmer, 15, a freshman at Sycamore High School.

"Evolution should be taught in school because it is backed by science. Religion should not enter into it. Saying that you shouldn't teach evolution in school because your religion says differently is like saying that Shakespeare shouldn't be read in school because you disagree with his plot lines."

E-mail jmrozowski@enquirer.com


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; US: Ohio
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1 posted on 03/07/2004 10:14:09 AM PST by yankeedame
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To: yankeedame
I hope none of those Ohio Highschool Grads hopes to get into a first class out of state college.

So9

2 posted on 03/07/2004 10:20:53 AM PST by Servant of the 9 (Goldwater Republican)
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To: yankeedame
"Evolution should be taught in school because it is backed by science. Religion should not enter into it. Saying that you shouldn't teach evolution in school because your religion says differently is like saying that Shakespeare shouldn't be read in school because you disagree with his plot lines."

What a straw man. I don't see anyone claiming evolution shouldn't be taught. What they're saying is that -both- should be taught, that neither is "invalid". As an agnostic, I have no problem with that whatsoever. In fact, I consider it the quintessential agnostic position.

And that's what government should be. Not a theocracy. Not atheist. It should be agnostic. It's answer to the question should be "We don't know, but here's the most widely accepted theories." It should not dismiss -either- possibility.

Way back when, only intelligent design could be taught, not evolution. That was intolerant and biased. Now only evolution can be taught, not intelligent design. That is every last bit as intolerant and biased.

Qwinn

3 posted on 03/07/2004 10:21:18 AM PST by Qwinn
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To: Qwinn
Big Buckeye Bump!
4 posted on 03/07/2004 10:38:37 AM PST by Faith
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To: Qwinn
Intelligent design is only an idea and one not at all based in science. Why then should it be included in a science curricula? So we can excercise more tolerance? According to your thinking every idea should belong in the science curricula. I'm glad you're not training to become a scientist, because you'd be very busy learning about the universe of all possible ideas.
5 posted on 03/07/2004 11:40:57 AM PST by Rudder
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To: Rudder
"Intelligent design is only an idea and one not at all based in science."

That's your opinion. I find that the argument of irreducible complexity, among others, -is- scientific in nature and rather difficult to dispute, actually. I'm not saying I'm convinced, but to say it has no basis in science or logic and children cannot be exposed to the idea is simply prejudice and censorship.

Qwinn
6 posted on 03/07/2004 11:45:48 AM PST by Qwinn
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To: Qwinn
Difficult to dispute, but still not based in science. That's not just my opinion, it's a fact, there simply are no scientifc data that support intelligent design. To qualify, data must be generated via the scientifc method. It sounds like you're confusing technical information with scientific data when you 'find the argument is scientific in nature.' If it wasn't generated by the scientific method it's not science--there are no shadows of gray like, "scientifc in nature."
7 posted on 03/07/2004 12:19:17 PM PST by Rudder
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To: Rudder
Everything you just said can also be applied to the theory of evolution. Unless you build a time machine and observe evolution in process, or you can actually produce trans-species evolution in experimental conditions, or you can actually work out an evolutionary path that can adequately explain how the cornea, rod, iris, pupil and all the other mechanisms that make an eye work happened "spontaneously", evolutionary theory is no more based on hard science then intelligent design. As such, both are equal of consideration. Neither is more established as fact than the other.

Qwinn
8 posted on 03/07/2004 12:22:49 PM PST by Qwinn
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To: Qwinn
Wrong again. Using the criterion that something must be establish as fact is not the same as using the criterion that for the theory to be scientific it must be founded upon data which were generated by the scientific method. ID is not established as fact and neither is evolutionary theory. ID is not based upon scientific data but evolutionary theoy is. There's no bias or prejudice here and that's a cheap shot. Teaching cooking in a music class would be inappropriate, just as teaching a non-scientifc idea would be in a science class.
9 posted on 03/07/2004 12:29:20 PM PST by Rudder
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To: Rudder
But what you are implying is that evolutionary theory must be taught -with no room for doubt-. No other explanation may be taught. That is, for all intents and purposes, teaching it as -fact- when you have already acknowledged that it is -not- scientific fact. Now, the only other alternative I know of to evolutionary theory is intelligent design. You ban an acknowledgment of that alternative (which is certainly scientifically possible), and thus you are -violating- the spirit of the scientific method. It's a self-fulfilling prophecy. By not allowing intelligent design to be studied in a scientific context, you are working toward making sure that no other theory than evolution can ever be explored from a scientific perspective. That's as fundamentalist an approach as any "Bible-thumper" who refuses to "corrupt" kids with non-religious teachings.

Qwinn
10 posted on 03/07/2004 12:35:33 PM PST by Qwinn
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To: yankeedame
How did life begin? Did everything start with a big bang? Did God create the universe?

None of these have anything to do with evolution, of course.

11 posted on 03/07/2004 12:43:18 PM PST by John H K
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To: Rudder
That's not just my opinion, it's a fact, there simply are no scientifc data that support intelligent design.

I believe that is the main ciritcism of evolution as well. NO one has ever shown that one spiecies can actually arise from another (even with intelligent manipulation in the laboratory) or that, in the largest sense, life can come from non life. Evolution is speculation based on some scietific facts the same as intelligent design is. For something to be considered scientificly factual, it must be observed taking place and no one has ever observed the appearance of a new species taking place.

12 posted on 03/07/2004 12:50:11 PM PST by templar
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To: Servant of the 9
I hope none of those Ohio Highschool Grads hopes to get into a first class out of state college.

If I were a wagering man, I would bet the farm against you(in fact, I would be hocking my gold fillings).

13 posted on 03/07/2004 1:47:16 PM PST by AndrewC (I am a Bertrand Russell agnostic, even an atheist.</sarcasm>)
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To: Qwinn
Wrong again. I do not suggest that evolutionary theory be taught exclusively, but that the alternatives should be restricted--in science classes--to those which are founded in science. Intelligent design has never utilized science to suggest it is a possible alternative. There has been no reason, based upon scientific data, established to put ID in a "scientific context."

Because to you, a non-scientist, it seems like science...that does not make it so.

I welcome all other alternatives which have scientifically-tested hypotheses as their basis.

14 posted on 03/07/2004 3:24:49 PM PST by Rudder
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To: Rudder
The only "scientific data" that supports evolution is the similarity in genomes between some different species. That's about it. There is no other observable evidence (templar put it pretty well a few posts up).

The "scientific data" that supports ID is no less - the actual existence of a structure as complex as the human eye. Evolution fails to provide any answer as to how such a complicated structure could possibly come into place without a non-random, deliberate influence. It would require several different and otherwise purposeless organs to spontaneously come about by random chance in such a configuration as to actually be useful. The odds of such a thing happening by random occurence arguably 1 in infinity. Easier to believe that every person on the planet throws a deck of cards up in the air and they all land in a neat pile in numerical and suit sequence. I frankly find the odds of intelligent design to be far less improbable. As such, yes, there is logic behind it.

Oh, and you keep claiming I'm "not a scientist". Amusing. How do you know I'm not? We do all know about assumptions, right? Or is your contention that no Christian can possibly be a scientist? Cause I'm just agnostic, and for you that's enough to consign me into your little "illogical" box. I can only imagine that you feel Christians are practically insane.

For the record, I majored in Computer Science and minored in Mathematics.

ID isn't itself a "scientific theory", so much as it is a pointing out of a tremendous flaw in the theory of evolution itself. You claim that you'd be willing to accept other "scientific" alternatives, but face it, there are none. Either it all happened by random chance, or there was a deliberate intelligence involved. To believe the former requires a leap of faith. So does the latter. The fact that you purport that one is "scientific" and not the other is only a reflection of where your own faith lies.

Qwinn
15 posted on 03/07/2004 3:37:50 PM PST by Qwinn
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To: templar
NO one has ever shown that one spiecies can actually arise from another (even with intelligent manipulation in the laboratory) or that, in the largest sense, life can come from non life. Evolution is speculation based on some scietific facts the same as intelligent design is. For something to be considered scientificly factual, it must be observed taking place and no one has ever observed the appearance of a new species taking place.,

At least I try to check my spelling.

First of all, evolutionary theory does not even attempt to explain the origins of life (Darwin's Book: On The Origin of Species.

Ever seen a mule? What is your definition of a species?

16 posted on 03/07/2004 3:38:16 PM PST by Rudder
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To: Qwinn
"Saying that you shouldn't teach evolution in school because your religion says differently is like saying that Shakespeare shouldn't be read in school because you disagree with his plot lines."

What people are saying, is that evolution shouldn't be taught because it's junk science.

17 posted on 03/07/2004 3:40:28 PM PST by greenwolf
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To: templar
For something to be considered scientificly factual, it must be observed taking place

THIS ranks up there, in my book, along with statements like "sail too far and you'll fall off the edge".

Everything need NOT be directly observed to conclude its existance; such was the case for quite awhile with 'matter' and the conclusion it was ultimately composed of unseeable (at the time!) atoms ...

18 posted on 03/07/2004 3:45:45 PM PST by _Jim ( <--- Ann C. and Rush L. speak on gutless Liberals (RealAudio files))
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To: greenwolf
Now that I could agree with.

Far as I'm concerned, you can teach evolution -and- ID, or you can teach neither of them. Either you accept that they're both faith-based, or neither of them is - but you can't have it both ways.

Qwinn
19 posted on 03/07/2004 3:48:57 PM PST by Qwinn
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To: Rudder
At least I try to check my spelling.

So do I. Aging eyes and small computer type faces make it difficult to catch misspellings sometimes. Spell check seems to be responding very slow for me today and is a pain to use for every post. Does it make it too difficult for you so that you can't understand what I'm saying?

First of all, evolutionary theory does not even attempt to explain the origins of life

Then why does everyone that is taught evolution in school end up with that idea? I don't think Origin of Species is used as a textbook anywhere.

Ever seen a mule? What is your definition of a species?

Ever seen a mule family? You know, Mama Mule, Daddy Mule and Baby Mule? A mule is a hybrid. A species is a naturally existing population of animals (plants) that interbreed with each other to reproduce offspring that have the ability to interbreed with other offspring of the same population and produce their own kind. A mule is sterile, there are no naturally occurring populations of mules, it doesn't qualify.

20 posted on 03/07/2004 3:57:15 PM PST by templar
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