Posted on 02/27/2004 5:02:22 AM PST by sakic
Staff Writer Major excerpts of telephone Interview on Monday, Feb. 16, 2004, 8 p.m. between Hutton Gibson, father of Mel Gibson, and Steve Feuerstein, executive producer and talk show host, "Speak Your Piece!" WSNR-620AM. The two-part feature on The Gibson Family: Offspring of Hate? will air on "Speak Your Piece!" on Monday, Feb. 23 and Wednesday, Feb. 25 from 10 p.m. to midnight on WSNR-620AM and live on the Internet at SpeakYourPiece.net.
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If you think Hitler said that 2000 years ago then you have both my pity and astonishment.
Phew! This is the first time I've ever read anything Mr. Hutton Gibson has to say about anything.
I am not certain that ...he flat out hates Jews, exclusively. He seems to be strongly opinionated and anti-Semitic, but in the long run he appears to just hate everyone that isn't him. Not the kind of fellow I'd care to spend an evening with, but there are a great many Archie Bunkers out there, so I'm just amazed that his son isn't in the KKK...course that may be why he did so well as Mad Maxxx.
I was raised by charismatic Christians - a lot of good that did...I'm sure if you put a microphone in front of the fathers or grandfathers of a lot of Gibson's critics you'd hear some interesting things about the "schwartzers" and whatnot.
I teach junior high kids who are more mature than that.
In the Holocaust situation, There would be only one course of action for a true Christian: To shield as many Jews from the Nazis as possible.
If one purpose of Christianity is to get everyone to be a Christian, what happens to the Jews if this purpose is successful? They cease to exist as Jews, don't they?
None of the apostles ceased being Jews. None of the first century Jews who believed in Jesus ceased being Jews, or even practicing their Jewish faith. I know a nice Jewish Christian lady who is quite proud of her heritage. Christian worship is largely just Jewish Synagogue worship.
Christ Himself said that He did not come to abolish the law, but to fulfill it.
but the dialog on these threads seems to indicate no room for mutual understanding....
Well when you equate proselytizing with genocide, then I think we know pretty well which side is precluding understanding.
You made an absurd statement. I pointed it out. I can see where that might make me seem immature to you.
Have you discussed Mel's movie with your class?
In the great Jewish tradition, I'll answer a question with a question.
Where did the hippies come from? I'm not talking about the costumed dorks you find skulking about today, I'm talking about the genuine article, from the '60s, born to "The Greatest Generation."
Oh, darn, I answered my own question.
Well, I guess all's not lost. You can still tell me the point I'm trying to convey.
Here's another hint -- in the form of a question, of course: How come so many present-day conservatives were born to that previous generation of hippies?
No, you deliberately ignored what I was saying because it showed how silly you are being and distorted the meaning to something you could ridicule.
My junior high kids might think farting loudly constitutes high art, but they have nothing on you when it comes to juvenile behavior.
No, Mel's movie has not come up.
Okay. I'll start the ball rolling.
I condemn my father for not killing any Nazis while he was in Auschwitz. Maybe the fact that he weighed 80 pounds restricted him but he could have tried harder I guess.
You go next.
Since you've decided to strike below the belt with that non-answer, I'll analyze it.
It seems to me that you do harbor a measure of resentment against your father -- not for, "not killing any Nazis while he was in Auschwitz," but perhaps for being there in the first place. For not having gotten the family out of Germany, or Poland, or whatever country they were in, in time. For choosing the comfort and stability of "home", rather than the rigors of uprooting and relocating, and for buying into the lie that afflicts so many -- the lie that says, "It can't happen here."
That's how I read it.
Now, as to the issue of blaming fathers in general. It's dirty pool, and way below the belt to try to attack a man by attacking his father's obvious flaws, and then trying to use his father against him -- telling him, essentially, that unless he attacks his father, he is guilty of his father's sins.
That is such rank BS that I am having a hard time coercing my hands to abbreveate "BS" as "BS".
It's that low of a tactic.
My own father had some frailties of his own, but I would have defended him with my life, as, no doubt, would you, yours. As any decent man would do.
That's the point.
It's a guaranteed outcome. You attack a man's father, and you'll anger the man, and you'll see him raise to protect his father from the attack.
And then you've got him.
It's game over. He defended his father! Oh, the humanity! The horror, the horror...
If you don't get the point by now, you'll never get it, so in either case, I've made my point.
Good day, sir.
PS: My late father was living proof that Hutton is bonkers. He wasn't a banker, he wasn't afraid of work, he didn't put it on anyone else. He worked in the CCC's in the Great Smokey's during the depression. He worked in sweatshops. He worked in a foundry. He took the fuses out of bombs and torpedoes that didn't go off when they were supposed to go off in the Pacific during WWII. Yeah, nice, easy job, eh? And then, he worked for decades after the war in the Brooklyn Navy Yard, sweating over a lathe, mostly working night shift. It was not easy work, it was not safe work. He escaped death a few times. They don't build ships in a Class 100 Clean Room.
Well, I said good day, and I won't hold you any longer.
What he is doing is deeply dishonest and vile.
Amen.
Absolutely! I hadn't thought of that. Wow! More hypocrisy from the most famous of hypocrites.
His blood be on our heads and on our children.
Gibson's father's sin be on his head and on Mel and anyone who sees his movie.
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