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OK, we are getting back into the old patterns of things, so maybe this will snap people back to the fact that I am determined to not have the old pattern return. On this thread, there was a ton of baiting, a ton of personal attacks, some veiled racism, and quite a few posts that striked me as literally indicative of insanity on the part of the poster— if the poster meant what he said. Y’all have to do a better job self-policing or these discussions won’t happen. And I do not buy the argument that one side wants that to happen. I see threasds where one side starts it, I see threads where the other side starts it. I see threads started where it seem the person posting the thread is the one who is doing things to start the thread down the path to being pulled, backroomed, or locked. I’m going to post to the individuals I see doing these unconstructive things but anyone who thinks “I am talking about them not me” is not getting the point. Everyone can do their part to make these threads better. Even someone who never has posted anything which is bad can help by helping to tell those they agree with on issues to back off when they are doing things like flaming or tinfoiling or baiting. This is going to take effort, and some are making it and some are not. Please make it.



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Hill Cool to Bush Immigration Plan
Washington Post ^ | 1/11/04 | Helen Dewar

Posted on 01/10/2004 9:33:03 PM PST by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

President Bush's proposal to give temporary legal status to millions of undocumented immigrants is running into stiff resistance from both left and right on Capitol Hill and stands little chance of enactment this year, according to supporters and opponents. While this assessment is based on early responses, with the lobbying effort barely begun, some lawmakers say the measure's only chance of passage this year would require an all-out push by the president, and even that might not be enough.

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtonpost.com ...


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To: Cultural Jihad
Jer 22:3 Thus saith the LORD; Execute ye judgment and righteousness, and deliver the spoiled out of the hand of the oppressor: and do no wrong, do no violence to the stranger, the fatherless, nor the widow, neither shed innocent blood in this place.

Easy to understand hard to follow

41 posted on 01/10/2004 10:13:16 PM PST by ATOMIC_PUNK (Mars make economical sense at a 7 to 1 return on investment + creature benefits)
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To: Rome2000
Something about securing a GOP majority in the House and Senate for the next 50 years.

How does granting legal status to illegal aliens secure the Congress for the next 50 years?

42 posted on 01/10/2004 10:13:29 PM PST by Missouri
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To: Orangedog
Your back must be stronger then mine.
43 posted on 01/10/2004 10:15:13 PM PST by jpsb
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To: jpsb
But not very much stronger.
44 posted on 01/10/2004 10:17:38 PM PST by Orangedog (Remain calm...all is well! [/sarcasm])
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To: CyberAnt
Oh I get it, leadership by trial balloon, don't brother to think and plan and research just throw ideas out and see if they get shot down. Cool.
45 posted on 01/10/2004 10:18:12 PM PST by jpsb
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle
"The word "clueless" does suggest itself here, doesn't it...? :)"

Yes, sir. We need to have a Freeper Conference to debate exactly which issue is most important, Abortion, the Second Amendment or Herding a few Million Brown Souls into Cattle Cars for a sentimental journey south...could you Please come get this Suspicious guy and his family of 6 Dozen up the street that just BOUGHT (sorry, folks) this house and is now running his Illegal Alien Staffed Lawn Care business out of the Garage...

I took a break from this board after the logic-trap-filled McClintock/Ahrnold Title fight. I am hoping to survive until Election Day in November, but I don't know. The hijacking of thread after thread is getting tiring.

[indignant rant] Of course, no one has addressed what the impact of this flood of Roman Catholics will be on the scheduling of English Language Mass Times at your local Papist Outlet. By G-D, I want to know what El Jefe Bush is going to do about that. Next thing you know, the Body of C---st will be a tortilla! Harumph, I say, Harumph! (I didn't get a harumph outta that guy.)[/indignant rant]

46 posted on 01/10/2004 10:24:35 PM PST by TommyUdo (The Democrat Party--Proudly Pimpin' off Po' Folk Since 1964)
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To: Cultural Jihad
For I was a stranger and you welcomed me." (Matthew 25:35)

I don't welcome criminal invaders

47 posted on 01/10/2004 10:28:43 PM PST by WackyKat
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To: Rome2000
And having some extra home invaders. No thanks.
48 posted on 01/10/2004 10:29:26 PM PST by Magno
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle; Digger
Building on Digger's comment:
Possible "strategery"?: The President proposes fully expecting Congress to examine it minutely and allowing a dem partisan vote to ultimately scrub it, he looks compassionate and moderate (compared to the dem alternative), those opposing his proposal appear either heartless and/or extremist...election over, 2nd term begins. I sincerely doubt that conservatives will be changing their votes to a dem candidate, even if they do dislike the President's proposal.
49 posted on 01/10/2004 10:30:02 PM PST by ironmaidenPR2717 (Whenever I feel blue, I start breathing again.)
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To: TommyUdo
I took a break from this board after the logic-trap-filled McClintock/Ahrnold Title fight

If you're just going to shill for the creation of Atzlan, why not make that break a permanent one?

50 posted on 01/10/2004 10:31:59 PM PST by WackyKat
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle
In a perfect world, George Bush would not wake up in the morning, walk out the door, and immediately step into a pile of elephant dooodoo like this one for no rational reason. I am VERY glad the election is not next week.

I don't know anybody who isn't pissed over this one.

51 posted on 01/10/2004 10:34:40 PM PST by greenwolf
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle
"[...] stands little chance of enactment [...]"

Seems to me the same sort of thing was said about CFR, don't worry the SC will overturn it.

52 posted on 01/10/2004 10:40:52 PM PST by SAMWolf (Ted Kennedy's Bumper Sticker: My other car is underwater.)
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To: WackyKat
"If you're just going to shill for the creation of Atzlan, why not make that break a permanent one?"

What, and leave this Know-Nothing-Party Wonderland of Logic?

Besides, my family was in Atzlan before yours.

53 posted on 01/10/2004 10:41:57 PM PST by TommyUdo (The Democrat Party--Proudly Pimpin' off Po' Folk Since 1964)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle
Next we'll be told not to worry, the SCOTUS will never allow it.
54 posted on 01/10/2004 10:42:06 PM PST by Huck (Was that offensive? I hope that wasn't offensive.)
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To: Rome2000
Something about securing a GOP majority in the House and Senate for the next 50 years.

It's a good idea

How is dividing the party and losing votes a good idea, actually?

I sometimes miss the couterintuitive, so I'd appreciate it if you explained this to me.


55 posted on 01/10/2004 10:42:50 PM PST by Sabertooth (Eighteen solutions better than any Amnesty - http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1053318/posts)
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To: greenwolf
I don't know anybody who isn't pissed over this one.

Hi. I'm unpissed Arne Fufkin.

I don't know anyone, outside this forum, who IS pissed over this one. You may need to get out more.

Don't confuse fellowship on a 3500 person/day internet forum with any kind of real world groundswell.

I laugh my ass off. I predicted last March that there would be a Tom Tancredo tsunami on FR, given the abysmal options the third party troglodytes earned. Damn, it it ain't happening.

56 posted on 01/10/2004 10:44:10 PM PST by ArneFufkin
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle
Keep the pressure on! If they won't stop this insanity, vote them out!

Shut the Door in '04 Vote Tancredo!
57 posted on 01/10/2004 10:45:18 PM PST by ETERNAL WARMING
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To: wingnuts'nbolts
Do you suppose that President Bush knew that he was proposing something he wnated to be discussed, discected and inspected by Congress? He is not King, or Dictator, so I suppose he put it out there for a debate. No?

No, and the strategery alibi is wearing a bit thin.

The President is human, and flawed. He makes mistakes.

CFR was a bd mistake. Proposing Amnesty for Illegals is a worse mistake.


58 posted on 01/10/2004 10:47:21 PM PST by Sabertooth (Eighteen solutions better than any Amnesty - http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1053318/posts)
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To: Kevin Curry
Ah, the rants of the unchurched and unshepherded.
60 posted on 01/10/2004 10:50:43 PM PST by Cultural Jihad
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