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Pope wants new international order to keep peace
Reuters | January 1, 2004 | Claire Soares

Posted on 01/01/2004 5:55:35 AM PST by HAL9000

VATICAN CITY, Jan 1 (Reuters) - The world needs a "new international order" to solve its conflicts and ensure peace, Pope John Paul said in his New Year's Day address on Thursday.

The ghosts of 2003 -- when the United States invaded Iraq without United Nations approval -- dominated the pope's first speech of 2004.

"More than ever we need a new international order which draws on the experience and results of the United Nations," the 83-year-old pontiff said at a mass in St Peter's Basilica.

"An order which is capable of finding adequate solutions to today's problems, based on the dignity of human beings, on integrating all society, on solidarity between rich and poor countries, on the sharing of resources and the extraordinary results of scientific and technological progress," he added.

Speaking at Christendom's largest church, the pope urged people not to lose hope of finding peace in the Holy Land, which the Vatican feels is vital to winning the war on terror.

"The land in which Jesus was born sadly continues to live in a dramatic condition. And in other parts of the world sparks of violence and conflict have not been extinguished either. But we need to persevere and not bow to the temptation of losing hope."

Turning to Africa, the pope paid tribute to his Burundi ambassador, Michael Courtney, killed on Monday in an ambush the army has blamed on rebels who have refused to join a peace process to end a 10-year conflict.

"(He) was tragically killed...while he was going about his mission of promoting dialogue and reconciliation. We pray for him and hope his example and sacrifice will bear the fruits of peace in Burundi and the world," the pope said.

The leader of the world's one billion Catholics, who suffers from Parkinson's disease that makes it difficult for him to talk, seemed alert and read all of his homily in a clear voice.

But it is unclear what 2004 holds for him. For the first time since his election in 1978, the pope enters the new year with no firm plans for travel, although there have been some invitations.

He was particularly weak on his last foreign trip, a visit to Slovakia in September, when aides had to read most of his addresses for him.



TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: johnpaulii; newnwo; pope; un; unitednations
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To: tomahawk
When Koffi says the same thing he is a socialist.

When the Pope says it, he is misqouted, misinterpreted, miss-firing on one or more of his cylinders.

Too his true-believers, the Pope speaks and they all hear just what they want to hear.
41 posted on 01/01/2004 7:11:33 AM PST by Bluntpoint
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To: depenzz
In fact before the Pope was shot he was quite strong.
Frequent Skier, hiker etc.
42 posted on 01/01/2004 7:13:01 AM PST by G Larry ($10K gifts to John Thune before he announces!)
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To: HAL9000
Dear Pope: You had better Think&Pray a lot harder before wishing for things such as this! There are some real bad guys out there just itching & twitching to have this door opened to them! Some things are just not needed; and this is one of them!
43 posted on 01/01/2004 7:13:07 AM PST by winker
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To: HAL9000
There already _is_ a "new international order" to "keep the peace".

It's known as The United States, and its influence is now being felt world-wide, even in places where it was presumed that influence could _never_ reach into.

The resulting peace will be the "Pax Americana".

Don't blame the Pope for some of his opinions, he's an aged and physically troubled man, years past his top powers. In the hindsight of history, Pope John Paul II will be recognized as one of the top five protectors of freedom of the 20th Century.

Cheers!
- John

44 posted on 01/01/2004 7:13:17 AM PST by Fishrrman
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To: G Larry
that was Reuters

OK. I didn't pay attention to the byline.

5.56mm

45 posted on 01/01/2004 7:15:34 AM PST by M Kehoe
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To: Lazamataz
Is anybody on this thread capable of discerning quotes from media set-up?
The Pope did NOT make the statement regarding UN authorization!
46 posted on 01/01/2004 7:16:09 AM PST by G Larry ($10K gifts to John Thune before he announces!)
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To: HAL9000
Did he mean "order" as in holy order, or order as in new controlling authority of the world? Big difference. Maybe Reuters didn't get it quite right.
47 posted on 01/01/2004 7:18:17 AM PST by madison10
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To: HAL9000
"More than ever we need a new international order ...
An order which is capable of finding adequate solutions to today's problems"

Knee jerk reactions to the Vatican from FReepers are once again pathetically wrong. By saying that we need something new now more than ever, our Holy Father is telling the world that the current UN is screwed up and inadequate. That's the same thing our President said to the world when he led us in the preemptive invasion of Iraq.
48 posted on 01/01/2004 7:18:42 AM PST by reed_inthe_wind (That Hillary really knows how to internationalize my MOJO.)
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To: G Larry
"More than ever we need a new international order which draws on the experience and results of the United Nations," the 83-year-old pontiff said at a mass in St Peter's Basilica.

So they made this line up?

49 posted on 01/01/2004 7:18:51 AM PST by Lazamataz (G-d gave us free will. The government took it away.)
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To: HAL9000
"More than ever we need a new international order which draws on the experience and results of the United Nations"
Okay, let's contrast the opening of the Declaration of Independence, the US Constitution with the preamble of the UN's "Charter":

The Declaration of Independence

IN CONGRESS, July 4, 1776.

The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America,

When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, ...

www.archives.gov/national_archives_experience/declaration_transcript.html


THE UNITED STATES CONSTITUTION

We the People of the United States, in Order to

do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

www.house.gov/Constitution/Constitution.html


www.un.org/aboutun/charter/

Charter of the United Nations

PREAMBLE

WE THE PEOPLES OF THE UNITED NATIONS DETERMINED

AND FOR THESE ENDS

HAVE RESOLVED TO COMBINE OUR EFFORTS TO ACCOMPLISH THESE AIMS

Accordingly, our respective Governments, through representatives assembled in the city of San Francisco, who have exhibited their full powers found to be in good and due form, have agreed to the present Charter of the United Nations and do hereby establish an international organization to be known as the United Nations.

WHICH documents instill confidence and inspire one to high goals and which one seems to have been drafted by a spineless, wishy-washy and godless commitee?
50 posted on 01/01/2004 7:18:51 AM PST by _Jim ( <--- Ann Coulter speaks on gutless Liberals (RealAudio files))
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To: sinkspur; ninenot
Happy New Year, Deacon:

Sharing even with you, as most American Catholics do, a deep skepticism and disagreement with JP II on these transitory matters of foreign policy, it is necessary yet again to point out that the real motive of your consistent pope-bashing is JP II's unwillingness to adhere to the in-house-revolutionary blatherings of those AmChurchians, like yourself, who dissent on celibacy, support lavender rights in the public square, democracy or anarchy in the pews, and most forms of anti-papal insolence in our times, in spite of burrowing into minor orders as a deacon.

As actual Roman Catholics eagerly await the next bishop to be appointed to the missionary territory of Fort Worth (the Rio Linda of AmChurch) who may restore actual Catholicism to Delaney's museum of curious non-Catholic idiosyncracies, we also eagerly seek your deservedly humble obedience to the Supreme Pontiff and submission to the Teaching Magisterium of the Church without Modernist reservations.

51 posted on 01/01/2004 7:19:31 AM PST by BlackElk (The auto-da-fe is God's chosen way to purge sin from the land.!)
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To: G Larry
Did he make the following statements quoted by him in article below?

Thursday May 15, 9:27 PM

Pope indicates U.N. should lead Iraq reconstruction

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VATICAN CITY (Reuters) - Pope John Paul, a staunch opponent of the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq, said on Thursday that the United Nations should play a central role in the reconstruction of shattered nations.

In a series of speeches to 12 newly appointed ambassadors to the Holy See, the Pope said conflict and terrorism could never resolve the world's problems.

Without mentioning either country by name, the Pope made clear that he opposed U.S. moves to oversee the rebuilding of Iraq, saying the international community should take the lead.

"The United Nations is called upon, more than ever, to be the central place for decisions on the reconstruction of countries," he told the assembled ambassadors.

"That is an essential condition needed to restore trust in the heart of a country."

Washington has so far dragged its feet on calls for the United Nations to be given a major role in rebuilding Iraq, sending in its own team of officials to administer the country following the fall of Iraqi President Saddam Hussein.

The pope, who turns 83 on Sunday, led a vigorous anti-war campaign ahead of the U.S. invasion of Iraq, warning that the conflict could fuel terrorism and regional strife.

"War, which has once again won the upper hand, cannot be seen as a way to resolve conflicts," he said on Thursday, adding that terrorism endangered "the common cause of peace and the dignity of peoples".

In a speech to the new Syrian ambassador to the Vatican, the pontiff said the time had come for all peoples in the Middle East to learn to live together in peace, respecting the independence and sovereignty of their neighbours.

"One must hope that all the leaders of this region display courage and audacity," he said. Syria, which is still nominally at war with Israel, said this week that it wanted to resume peace talks with its old enemy.

52 posted on 01/01/2004 7:20:41 AM PST by Bluntpoint
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To: Fishrrman
I blame everyone for everything.


53 posted on 01/01/2004 7:20:58 AM PST by Lazamataz (G-d gave us free will. The government took it away.)
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To: HAL9000
More than ever we need a new international order which draws on the experience and results of the United Nations," the 83-year-old pontiff said at a mass in St Peter's Basilica...

"An order which is capable of finding adequate solutions to today's problems, based on the dignity of human beings, on integrating all society, on solidarity between rich and poor countries, on the sharing of resources and the extraordinary results of scientific and technological progress," he added.

And just how is the Pope proposing to enforce his idea of a non-sovereign, communistic utopia??

Quite frankly, this man is dangerous.

54 posted on 01/01/2004 7:21:25 AM PST by F16Fighter
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To: BlackElk
BE,

Read the article carefully. The author carefully wrote. I think that maybe she injected her own spin on the pope's words. No need to bring the rest of the arguments into this incident.
55 posted on 01/01/2004 7:21:34 AM PST by Desdemona (Kempis' Imitation of Christ online! http://www.leaderu.com/cyber/books/imitation/imitation.html)
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To: reed_inthe_wind
Was the Pope misquoted here also?

"The United Nations is called upon, more than ever, to be the central place for decisions on the reconstruction of countries," he told the assembled ambassadors.

"That is an essential condition needed to restore trust in the heart of a country."
56 posted on 01/01/2004 7:23:09 AM PST by Bluntpoint
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To: Lazamataz
My post stated that the Pope did not make the statement regarding the U.S. invading without UN authorization.

Regarding the quote you cite here, the Pope already has what he's asked for.
We did react based on our experience with the results of the UN.
57 posted on 01/01/2004 7:23:38 AM PST by G Larry ($10K gifts to John Thune before he announces!)
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To: HAL9000
The Pope said, "More than ever we need a new international order which draws on the experience and results of the United Nations," the 83-year-old pontiff said at a mass in St Peter's Basilica.

"An order which is capable of finding adequate solutions to today's problems, based on the dignity of human beings, on integrating all society, on solidarity between rich and poor countries, on the sharing of resources and the extraordinary results of scientific and technological progress," he added.

To remind. It was this pope who justified the bombing of Serbs. Rome's daily La Repubblieg, published on 14 August 1993, a front cover illustration of the pope at the top of a minaret calling: "Isus (Warren) Christopher, save us." The Italian Press condemned Pope John Paul for blessing an American air assault on Serb positions and for asking President Clinton to launch it without delay. On 15 August 1993, Roman Catholic priest, Don Albino Bizzotto, founder of the Beati Construttovi di Pace peace and charity orgnization, has assessed the pope's call for air strikes on Bosnian Serbs as 'disappointing' and 'double-dealing. "We cannot understand those who speak about mercy and military intervention at the same time, he said. Fr. Bizzotto went on to say: The pope's behavior is like a leading big power, who tries to cure their hypocrisies and failures with armed interventions."

The war against the Serbs was unjust and immoral. It received no approval from Congress nor from the UN, but our wag-the-dog President Clinton went ahead with his bombing of innocent Serbian civilians. This war was to appease the Muslim world. It was to show them that we were willing to destroy a Christian people in order to prove it.

58 posted on 01/01/2004 7:26:27 AM PST by Doctor13
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To: HAL9000
"More than ever we need a new international order which draws on the experience and results of the United Nations," the 83-year-old pontiff said at a mass in St Peter's Basilica.

"I respectfully disagree."

I interpreted the Popes statement to mean it's time to learn from the mistakes of the UN and dissolve it. Not such a bad idea, is it?

59 posted on 01/01/2004 7:28:25 AM PST by varon
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To: reed_inthe_wind
By saying that we need something new now more than ever, our Holy Father is telling the world that the current UN is screwed up and inadequate. That's the same thing our President said to the world when he led us in the preemptive invasion of Iraq.

Well, I suppose that's one way of interpreting it.

The most obvious way of interpreting what the Pope said is that it is another slap at US unilateralism, which is willing to act when international bodies won't. The Pope knows that, had the US taken his advice, Hussein would still be in power, stuffing his people into shredders.

The Pope wants something to counter the United States and Britain. Surely you see that.

60 posted on 01/01/2004 7:29:15 AM PST by sinkspur (Adopt a shelter dog or cat! You'll save one life, and maybe two!)
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