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Sen. Mike Lee: Cruz wins on second ballot
The Hill's Briefing Room ^ | April 7, 2016 | Jessie Hellmann

Posted on 04/07/2016 3:09:50 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

Utah Sen. Mike Lee said he believes Ted Cruz would be the GOP presidential nominee if the convention is contested.

"On successive ballots, I think victory is more likely to go to Ted Cruz," Lee, who is a backer of the Texas senator, said during a radio interview Wednesday. "We have to remember that most Republicans around the country have voted for someone other than Donald Trump."

A convention would become contested if no candidate gets 1,237 delegates beforehand. On the first ballot, delegates are typically bound to the candidates their state picked in the primaries or caucuses. On subsequent ballots, however, many are released and can shift to another candidate.

"I would not be a bit surprised if Ted Cruz won in that circumstance, in fact, I'd be surprised if he didn't. On second ballots, on successive ballots, you're going to see more and more delegates moving to Ted Cruz," Lee said.

Donald Trump leads the pack with 743 delegates, followed by Cruz, who has 517, according to Bloomberg's count. Florida Sen. Marco Rubio, who left the race last month after a loss in his home state, has 171 delegates, followed by John Kasich, who has 143.


TOPICS: Utah; Campaign News; Parties; U.S. Senate
KEYWORDS: cruz; mikelee; tedcruz; trump
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
So you have no idea what is going on pre-convention?

My point is: If Cruz stops Trump on the first ballot, Cruz had done his job. On the 2nd ballot, he will be shelved as his usefulness had expired. The GOPe will be going with Option 3: Not-Trump and not-Cruz.

Sort of like Rubio being the face of the gang of 8 until the bill passed the Senate, after which Schumer and McCain were the ones making the rounds and taking bows on the news programs.
81 posted on 04/07/2016 3:45:36 PM PDT by TomGuy
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

We are watching a candidate who has no chance in hell of winning trying to steal the nomination. This kind of Nixonian politics are exactly what the American public are sick of. I predict this won’t end well for Cruz. What a sneaky little lawyer.


82 posted on 04/07/2016 3:45:46 PM PDT by toddausauras (Trump 2016. Not a dime for free republic)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Have you seen the latest general election polls?

McClatchy/Marist 4/7/16........Clinton vs Trump = Clinton +9
......................................Clinton vs Cruz = tie

As usual a vote for Trump is a vote for the PIAPS.


83 posted on 04/07/2016 3:45:50 PM PDT by Happy Rain (CRUZ 2016 "Closest thing we have to Reagan." Rush Limbaugh)
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To: Durbin

At this point, that’s what I’m hoping for.
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It’s only hope, and when that doesn’t materialize, then what? The only rule that takes the decision away from the political hacks is the 1237 rule. If the nomination is not sealed before the convention, you can kiss the country good bye. That’s what is at stake here! And all you are relying on is ‘hope.’ Turning the process over to political hacks on the floor of the convention hall will assure the country loses. Anyone who still believes that Republican crooks have the interests of America at heart, need a serious reality check.


84 posted on 04/07/2016 3:46:06 PM PDT by iontheball
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To: TomGuy

Those will be mainly Cruz delegates. They’re not going to “shelve” him.


85 posted on 04/07/2016 3:47:26 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Cruz has extensively studied Reagan, He learned the Lessons of that second vote to Ford that cost him the ‘76 Nomination.

Fortunately for the Future of THIS Country, He has also studied Winston Churchill.

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86 posted on 04/07/2016 3:47:38 PM PDT by corbe (mystified)
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To: toddausauras

Look at the post just below your delusion.


87 posted on 04/07/2016 3:47:50 PM PDT by Happy Rain (CRUZ 2016 "Closest thing we have to Reagan." Rush Limbaugh)
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To: RoosterRedux

You said it all perfectly. Right now, I’m banking on the combination of Mr. Trump’s famous technique of “The Art Of The Deal” combined with Paul Manafort’s legendary 1976 Convention success for President Ford to carry the day in Cleveland!
I’m also counting on Cruz to lose his momentum after April 26 when he effectively eliminated. At that juncture, Mr. Trump will be so far ahead in the delegate race that he will have insurmountable leverage.


88 posted on 04/07/2016 3:49:37 PM PDT by edie1960
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To: The Iceman Cometh

Kinda like Lincoln did in 1860 huh.


89 posted on 04/07/2016 3:49:42 PM PDT by Durbin
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To: iontheball

Ok, but if no candidate gets a majority of delegates, I can only hope Cruz wins it on the 2nd ballot. There’s nothing wrong with that.


90 posted on 04/07/2016 3:51:16 PM PDT by Durbin
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To: RoosterRedux
Featured guest at Trump wedding (how much did Trump pay him to attend?).


91 posted on 04/07/2016 3:51:47 PM PDT by TexasGator
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To: KansasGirl

If someone is going to run as an outsider on a platform of contempt for the party’s “establishment,” which grows to include everyone who isn’t on board with his campaign, then someone should not be surprised when everyone he alienated fails to take his side.

Trump gambled on a first ballot victory. He should not be surprised when he doesn’t win if he doesn’t get to 1237 before Cleveland.


92 posted on 04/07/2016 3:52:22 PM PDT by SoothingDave
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To: All

“We have to remember that most Republicans around the country have voted for someone other than Donald Trump.”

Why do these people keep saying this? You can say this about every candidate that ran. To me it shows they’re not as smart as they think they are.


93 posted on 04/07/2016 3:55:09 PM PDT by VerySadAmerican (Cruz voters: Wake up! Trump is our only chance of stopping the gopE. If not now, never!)
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To: Happy Rain

BOOM!


94 posted on 04/07/2016 3:56:06 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: KansasGirl

You support a candidate who supported by and kept in the race by the gopE, you’re gopE.


95 posted on 04/07/2016 3:57:03 PM PDT by VerySadAmerican (Cruz voters: Wake up! Trump is our only chance of stopping the gopE. If not now, never!)
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To: TomGuy
Kasich has a better change on the 2nd. Why would the GOPe deny Trump and then on the 2nd ballot give it to Cruz? They don’t like Cruz either. If they can deny Trump on the 1st, they can deny Cruz after the first and go with their preferred selectee.

I don't think that there will be 1287 or more delegates loyal to the GOPe at the convention. It will either be Trump or Cruz if it goes more than one round.

96 posted on 04/07/2016 3:58:54 PM PDT by FreeReign
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To: RoosterRedux

I heard on a radio program today that all the Senators are laughing at how stupid Cruz is...they are really thinking he is over, done and stick a fork in him...

They don’t like him, never have and they are not about to start now...


97 posted on 04/07/2016 4:01:19 PM PDT by HarleyLady27 ('THE FORCE AWAKENS!!!' Trump; Trump; Trump; Trump; 100%)
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To: TomGuy

“How will he win on the 2nd if he can’t win on the first?...

... Why would the GOPe deny Trump and then on the 2nd ballot give it to Cruz?...”
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You just don’t get it. The majority of the delegates at the convention will NOT BE GOPe loyalists, but will instead be anti-Establishment types selected from Cruz (and hopefully Trump) loyalists. Before that convention selects a GOPe puppet as the nominee, they’d first dig up Rin-Tin-Tin and nominate him.


98 posted on 04/07/2016 4:01:20 PM PDT by House Atreides (TRUMP or CRUZ --- The 1st one to get to 1237 gets the Nomination Brass Ring...PERIOD)
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To: Fantasywriter

The delegates, acting in their role as stewards of the party are under no obligation to nominate a candidate like Trump, with the highest unfavorables ever recorded, just because he has the support of a noisy minority. In fact, they have a duty to select the best candidate for the party, thinking of all races.

Trump’s presence on the ballot depresses turnout and threatens down ticket races. Maybe if Trump had some track record or had a history of working with the party members and forming relationships they might feel better about entrusting him with the nomination.

He has none of that. He’s the outsider. He’s the disruptor.

He’s the loser.


99 posted on 04/07/2016 4:01:23 PM PDT by SoothingDave
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Those will be mainly Cruz delegates. They’re not going to “shelve” him.

Then, likely, the Trump delegates are not going to abandon him either, just because it goes to a 2nd ballot.

At a 2nd, who is likely to gain, assuming the GOPe does NOT enter their own horse in the race?

At a 2nd, who is likely to gain, assuming the GOPe DOES enter their own horse in the race?

Of course, a lot will depend on the re-writing of the rules before the beginning of the Convention. If Rule #40 stays in place, that limits the 1st ballot to Cruz and Trump only, unless Kasich miraculously wins 7 more states. Does it then apply to the 2nd ballot? What new rule(s) might the GOPe insert and approve beforehand?


100 posted on 04/07/2016 4:02:07 PM PDT by TomGuy
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