I feel like I’m in bizzaro world. Did I just read correctly that Obolacare is better than private insurance? Just because of one “gimmedat”? Is it better if you are 25 and can sponge off mom and dad? How about if you get sick and haven’t coverage, no worries, we’ll cover you too!
Wow. It is amazing. On what is supposed to be a conservative forum.
I refuse to have a discussion regarding single payer. I know the British NHS too well. In addition, we conservatives have hashed this out too many times and if you don’t understand the economics of healthcare insurance, or math, I don’t have time to enlighten you.
I have a degenerative muscular and joint disease. My wife and I have made the conscious decision not to use Medicare although we are eligible for it. We are sticking with the private healthcare we pay for because we know that the treatment that I receive will eventually be denied by the gubmint due to the high cost (4-5k per month) and I will be back in a wheelchair.
Don’t tell me about fair. When my costs continue to rise faster than my income, and my doctors spend more time on their computer than with me, we’ve gone from expensive and complicated to unaffordable and incomprehensible.
I will vote for our nominee, whomever that happens to be because I know one thing, we are better off with Trump or Cruz than with Hitlery. I hope the Donald evolves more on this topic.
That is not exactly what I said.
I did not say it is better. I do however strongly believe, Obamacare improved things about our insurance. It covered a whole bunch of people who were left out, prior to Obamacare.
A lot of people were not previously covered. For specific things which exempted them. That is a (huge) problem, and Obamacare did improve our healthcare by providing coverage for people who were no longer covered, because our system no longer covered them for various reasons.
On the other hand, others did not experience improved coverage, and do not like the new system. I completely agree with what you are saying. Completely so.
Fix that part of what we currently have. That is I believe what you’re saying, and I completely agree with you on that part, and it is a very big part of our health insurance.
I am saying we need to keep the improvements, while changing the things which people who previously had, and liked their insurance, found objectionable to in the new system.
Those are the things you are saying did not improve, and I completely agree with you. Absolutely.
But Obamacare was a very important thing, nobody had done a thing to improve our system of healthcare until Obamacare did those things, and I give credit where it is due.
Obamacare was badly needed. It is probably the only thing I will agree with Obama on. Ever. On anything. I strongly oppose Obama on any number of things, which I see every single day. He is wrong, he seems stuck on stupid, and I oppose him in every other way. But he deserves credit for covering millions of Americans who were previously excluded.
Those people need that coverage. That coverage was hugely important to every one of them.
What you’re saying is the others who were impacted by the changes were negatively impacted, and I completely agree with you on that.
In every regard. We need to change the 90% of coverage which was negatively impacted by Obamacare, for 90% of Americans. That is what Trump seems to be addressing. And he seems to be completely right to say so. I get that, and I completely agree with you on that. I do.
But Obamacare was very very significant, and I support it (strongly) for the people it covers, who were not previously covered.
American healthcare is far too expensive to leave people without insurance.
Far, far too expensive.
So fix what is broken about our current insurance (which is the majority of the coverage) but leave the things about Obamacare which actually improved things for some people.
There were improvements. Quite significant. Those are the things I strongly support, and for which I catch quite a lot of flack for on this board. But I believe in standing up for what I believe in, and in this one case, Obamacare is right. 100% right. For a relatively small bunch of Americans (still measured in the millions, not an insignificant number by the way). Those people need that coverage and that is what we need to keep.
Change the rest. But keep Obamacare for those who want it. It is very, very helpful for some people.