Free Republic
Browse · Search
GOP Club
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

This is why illegal immigration has become such a flash point…
Neo-Neocon ^ | September 17, 2015

Posted on 09/17/2015 10:38:27 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

…and why someone like Trump, who emphasizes it, has gained so much traction with that.

People are angry at stories like this one, in which the illegal immigrant is presented as being a poor, beleaguered person (in this case a mother of young children) whose rights are being taken away:

On September 3, Blanca Borrego of Houston went for a scheduled appointment to see her gynecologist at the Memorial Hermann Northeast Women’s Healthcare clinic. She had two of her children with her.

Instead of seeing her doctor, she was arrested. This is why:

Borrego [is] an undocumented immigrant who overstayed her visa 12 years ago.

A search of Borrego’s possessions turned up a fake Social Security card, resulting in a felony charge for tampering with government documents. Borrego’s bond has been set at $35,000, which her family is unable to afford, and she now faces potential deportation.

But the writer and several organizations want us to feel sorry for her:

In a statement regarding healthcare for unauthorized immigrants issued by the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists (ACOG) in March of this year, the organization made explicit their support for a “basic health care package for all women living within the United States without regard to their country of origin or documentation.”

An estimated 11.3 million individuals living in the United States are undocumented, with women comprising 47 percent of this population…

Ana Rodriguez DeFrates of the Texas Latina Advocacy Network said in a statement that the arrest “raises serious questions about patient privacy and human rights of immigrant women in Texas.”…

“The sad fact is that many immigrant women in Texas, and across the country, already forgo needed healthcare, live with lumps in their breasts and daily pain, because clinics are inaccessible or put them at risk for deportation,” she said.

“This is an ongoing human rights crisis, and Blanca Borrego’s arrest shines a light on the struggles of immigrant women, who are routinely denied driver’s licenses, affordable healthcare, and other basic human and civil rights.”

Notice how drivers’ licenses and affordable healthcare (not just plain old healthcare) have become “basic rights” for everyone, even non-citizen lawbreakers.

The article’s commenters are not in agreement with these sentiments, to say the least. Every single comment I read expressed outrage. Of course, I certainly haven’t read them all; there are over 5,000 as I write this. But every single one I read seemed to come from a person who was breathing fire.

This one was informative:

Identity theft is a serious crime and should be punished. The clinic did not report her because of her immigration status. They reported her for showing a fake ID. Another article described what was not right about the fake licence. The state seal was in the wrong place,a hologram was missing and the letters were the wrong color. It wasn’t even a good fake. Give credit to the alert clinic worker who took the time to look closely. With that and the fake SS card she should serve a couple years in prison before being deported.

This was fairly typical:

What about the rights of the person whose SS numbers she’s illegally using? The economic and physical hardship they are enduring with their credit being destroyed and flagged as fraudulent? What about the rights of the thousands involved in accidents with illegals using fake IDs and no insurance? The need of a law abiding citizen who may have to be forced to forgo medical care because they now have to pay for it themselves, and the economic ramifications it has on all our insurance costs? What are the rights of the woman who may have been turned away from this medical office because this women took her place on the patient roll call?

What about the national security ramifications of people walking around with fake government papers, using our resources and having the ability to access secured facilities with ease?

You are a disgrace to journalism with a one sided article somehow ignoring all the people who suffer and will potentially suffer because of those who are breaking the law and committing fraud. This far outweighs the medical needs of those who can find care in their legal homes of origin should they need it.

The article, with its “undocumented” this and “undocumented” that, highlights the rift between the MSM and the people. The MSM and the left has been pushing the narrative that such a woman is a victim (complete with crying children) rather than a perpetrator. But the vast majority of readers aren’t buying it for an instant.

And this is a report of something that’s happening thousands of miles away, in Sweden, to immigrants with a different status. But it’s a related story nevertheless:

The bleary-eyed travelers arriving in Malmo’s glass-and-steel train station agreed on one thing: Sweden was a better place to go than Denmark, which has cut welfare benefits for refugees.

But many said Finland was even better.

“Why Finland? I tell you, because they give us the documents faster,” said Ghanem, a 23-year-old Iraqi, who like many making the journey declined to give his full name. They are worried about being identified by authorities and prevented from going to their preferred destinations. “Sweden, Germany, they will take one year, two years.”

Though the 28-nation European Union has common rules for how to receive asylum-seekers, the benefits provided once they arrive vary widely from one country to the next…

Most are aiming to reach wealthier countries in northern Europe, particularly Germany and Sweden, which stand out for their efforts to offer a generous welcome. However, German authorities say the expectations of people arriving are sometimes unrealistic.

“Germany isn’t just the country of milk and honey, where everything you would want flies into your mouth like a fried pigeon,” German Foreign Ministry spokesman Martin Shaefer said last week.

EU rules require member states to ensure “a dignified standard of living” for asylum-seekers. That includes housing, food, clothing, a daily allowance, and access to public health care, education and the job market while their claim is processed, which can take up to a year or more.

Getting benefits is now a big, big part of illegal immigration and of becoming a refugee (or claiming to be a refugee). A lot of the people engaged in that process are quite savvy about where they choose to go and what they will get after they’re arrived, and make decisions accordingly. They count on people such as Ana Rodriguez DeFrates to smooth the way, and to try to talk the citizens of the host country into seeing these benefits as rights and themselves as racist “nativists” for thinking there’s something wrong with this entire process.


TOPICS: Campaign News; Issues
KEYWORDS: aliens; illegalimmigration; illegals; immigration; trump
Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-2021-38 next last

1 posted on 09/17/2015 10:38:28 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

To: 2ndDivisionVet
In a statement regarding healthcare for unauthorized immigrants issued by the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists (ACOG) in March of this year, the organization made explicit their support for a "basic health care package for all women living within the United States without regard to their country of origin or documentation."

These doctors may as well just start singing Snoop Dog: With my mind on my money and my money on my mind.

2 posted on 09/17/2015 10:43:56 PM PDT by Vision Thing ("Community Organizer" is a shorter way of saying "Commie Unity Organizer".)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Vision Thing
> In a statement regarding healthcare for unauthorized immigrants issued by the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists (ACOG) in March of this year, the organization made explicit their support for a "basic health care package for all women living within the United States without regard to their country of origin or documentation."

only applies to brown-eyed, brown skinned, immigrants. If you have pale / white skin with anything otherthan brown eyes you are ineligible for the program.

3 posted on 09/17/2015 10:51:08 PM PDT by jsanders2001
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: 2ndDivisionVet
I used to work for a housing authority in California. At least a third and up to a half of the households on subsidized housing were illegals. The only requirement for eligibility for the public housing program was that ONE SINGLE member of the household was a legal resident (not a citizen - legal resident). Often, that one legal resident would be a brand spanking new baby, while the other 5 or 6 residents were all illegal. Keep in mind these were both state and federally-funded programs.

Additionally, there were household income limits for eligibility. All of the illegal households qualified on paper, of course, but a quick drive by of the housing project showed brand new $30-40,000 trucks in the driveways. How, you may ask? Easy - they get paid either under the table or with fake identities and simply don't report the income. Keep in mind that there was always a waiting list to get on the public housing program, so every illegal family was taking the place of American citizens who wanted on.

Our country is a joke, and all of us who pay taxes are doing so simply to support foreign invaders and line the pockets of corrupt government officials. I should say, all of you who pay taxes, as I went Galt a while back.
4 posted on 09/17/2015 10:52:31 PM PDT by fr_freak
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: 2ndDivisionVet

I don’t think “human rights” means what you think it means ...


5 posted on 09/17/2015 10:59:48 PM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: 2ndDivisionVet

Blanca Borrego is not of Houston. She is of Monterrey or some such place and has committed crimes that hurt American citizens aside from her illegal visa overstay. She should be sent back to wherever she came from ASAP and barred from ever returning.


6 posted on 09/17/2015 11:04:18 PM PDT by jospehm20
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: fr_freak

My mom is on a fixed income and hubs and I are not well off.

Several years back she had some minor health problem. Not serious enough for the hospital but serious enough for a prescription.

She didn’t have health insurance and cares for my completely disabled father so it’s hard for her to get out of the house so I helped by turning in her paperwork at the welfare office so she could get Medicaid or whatever it is.

I saw a lot of Escalades, tattoos, weaves, perfect mani-pedis and the latest cellphones and bling of all sorts.

There are a lot of folks gaming the system.

Sometimes I wonder if all those stories I hear about people collecting in more than one state or using several identities is true.

The people who use other people’s identity are the ones who really make me mad. They are ruining people’s lives by stealing their places. Sometimes the victims of the ID thieves are arrested because the ID thieves used their ID when being arrested. All that kind of thing is extremely difficult to clear up. It costs a lot of time and money.

I have no sympathy at all for anyone who comes here illegally and steals someone’s identity to blend in.

Too bad for the kids that their parents made such lousy decisions.


7 posted on 09/17/2015 11:11:32 PM PDT by Califreak (Hope and Che'nge is killing U.S. Feel the Trump-mentum!(insert ireally.supportCruzdisclaimerhere/))
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: 2ndDivisionVet

Why don’t we just invoice the country of origin for these housing/food/medical costs. There must be a way to make them pay. And we can include a service % on top of the costs.

Aren’t we still giving air to Mexico, etc? Trump would think of something.


8 posted on 09/17/2015 11:17:54 PM PDT by Aria
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: kalee

For later reading


9 posted on 09/17/2015 11:21:19 PM PDT by kalee
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: fr_freak

NJ is quickly filling up with illegals; the taxpayers aren’t allowed to ensure that the children they pay to educate in our public schools are even here legally. Nobody wants to enforce immigration laws because much of the state would revert to the pristine wilderness the Dutch first encountered centuries ago; between Americans refusing to breed and many fleeing the state, NJ is quickly becoming a Third World toilet.


10 posted on 09/17/2015 11:32:15 PM PDT by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic warfare against white males (and therefore white families).)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: jsanders2001

Illegal immigrants are fresh fodder for the “poverty industry”; taxpayer dollars are funneled through them to Americans working in the government, medical and education industries.

Americans that whine they can’t afford kids are just affording someone else’s kids...


11 posted on 09/17/2015 11:34:24 PM PDT by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic warfare against white males (and therefore white families).)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: Califreak

Its akin to saying, “sure his dad robbed a bank but the family needs the money so they should keep it.” Since that would never happen we must conclude the bank has more rights than the person who’s identity was stolen.


12 posted on 09/17/2015 11:39:24 PM PDT by wiggen (#JeSuisCharlie)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 7 | View Replies]

To: jsanders2001
....only applies to brown-eyed, brown skinned, immigrants. If you have pale / white skin with anything other than brown eyes you are ineligible for the program.


13 posted on 09/17/2015 11:41:26 PM PDT by Stand Watch Listen (When the going gets tough--the Low Information President Obie from Nairobi goes golfing/fundraising)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: fr_freak

Costa Mesa tried to boot illegals out of taxpayer subsidized housing once, back in the days of Bush 41.

But good old “conservative” HUD Secretary Jack Kemp flew out and threatened Costa Mesa if they dared to kick out the illegals.

That was a wake-up call for me as to just how bad the GOP establishment really is. They will help foreign nationals steal tax money from Americans and threaten Americans who want those illegals deported.


14 posted on 09/18/2015 12:26:30 AM PDT by Pelham (Immigration is the 3rd world invasion. Deport them all)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: 2ndDivisionVet

“Give credit to the alert clinic worker who took the time to look closely. With that and the fake SS card she should serve a couple years in prison before being deported.”

We’ll probably hear tomorrow that the worker has been fired and is being investigated by the “Justice” Department for violation of civil rights.


15 posted on 09/18/2015 12:45:02 AM PDT by kaehurowing
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: 2ndDivisionVet

My definition of justice is getting what you deserve. Even aliens have to follow our laws while here in the US.


16 posted on 09/18/2015 2:44:53 AM PDT by Rapscallion ("I never had sex with that server. Never.")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: kearnyirish2

> Americans that whine they can’t afford kids are just affording someone else’s kids...

It’s like being forced to pay child support on someone elses’ kid that you didn’t father. And I do know a white guy that a judge ordered to pay child support on a kid that was very obviously not his the reason being that someone needs to pay child support on the kid and since his ex-gf hit him up for some money saying she had had his child he sent her some money. Well he hadn’t seen the kid when he sent the money. Turns out the kid was half-black. The judge said since he had made a few payments on the kid he had to continue. No DNA test ordered, no visitation rights (she had moved out of the area anyway). How’s that for injustice? The judge needs to be hung for that injustice. The guy just finished paying 18 years of child support not long ago.


17 posted on 09/18/2015 4:12:01 AM PDT by jsanders2001
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 11 | View Replies]

To: kaehurowing

> “Give credit to the alert clinic worker who took the time to look closely. With that and the fake SS card she should serve a couple years in prison before being deported.”

You wouldn’t believe how many illegals have co-opted other’s SSNs. As an inbestigator I come across this ALL the time. In fact when you run a data search using someone’s SSn these days, about 1 in 4 checks will return someone else’s name (usually meaning someone else used their SSN). The names are usually Hispanic.


18 posted on 09/18/2015 4:16:48 AM PDT by jsanders2001
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 15 | View Replies]

To: Califreak
> Sometimes I wonder if all those stories I hear about people collecting in more than one state or using several identities is true. The people who use other people’s identity are the ones who really make me mad. They are ruining people’s lives by stealing their places. Sometimes the victims of the ID thieves are arrested because the ID thieves used their ID when being arrested. All that kind of thing is extremely difficult to clear up. It costs a lot of time and money.

its absolutely true. I know this from 20 years being an investigator and running background checks where I found that illegals had co-opted the applicant's SSN or otherr cases where I had to track someone down. There's another horrible consequence to the victim thatthe feds don't mention - when an illegal uses someone elses SSN for employment purposes and they end up not paying the proper amount of taxes, guess who the IRS hits up for the balance. The victim. I know of a case recently where the illegal hadn't paid $4,000 of back taxes and the IRS filed a lien against the rightful SSN holder and froze their bank accounts. The ictim had no clue what this was all about. If you've ever had to deal with the IRS you already what type of reception they got. Our records are correct; you're guilty; pay up or we take it all and file a lien against your home. They're worse than dealing with the gestapo. Its stil being worked out.

19 posted on 09/18/2015 4:28:46 AM PDT by jsanders2001
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 7 | View Replies]

To: fr_freak

Time for a flat tax or Fair Tax. Even drug dealers spend money as do these ILLEGALS. There is a whole underground economy that does not pay income tax or social security taxes.


20 posted on 09/18/2015 8:04:13 AM PDT by Tspud1
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-2021-38 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
GOP Club
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson