Posted on 08/04/2015 4:18:43 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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Isn’t it a little early to start the thread? It might be hard to find 2 days from now.
It looks to me like Fox is not going to release the list of polls that they used to make their Top 10 selection.
And ... looking at the most recent polls on Real Clear Politics it is difficult for me to see how Cruz could end up with a 5-poll average of 5.4. He is nearly a point higher on RCP.
Could Fox News be conspiring to keep Cruz down? Personally I would not put it past the All Jeb Network to do so.
Correct me if I’m wrong about the release of the actual list of polls.
Baier listed the polls they used at the announcement. They included Quinnipiac, an excluded Bloomberg.
“... Could Fox News be conspiring to keep Cruz down? Personally I would not put it past the All Jeb Network to do so.”
YES, they could and THEY ARE. They won’t even mention his name. And, how about all those pictures on their website .. have you ever seen a bigger bunch of lousy pictures in your life ..?? I’ve seen a lot better pictures on other networks .. but somehow FOX has gone rogue .. and Cruz and any other conservative is left out of the conversation.
SHAME ON YOU FOX .. YOUR ONCE TRIPLE THE msm RATINGS WILL SOON BE GONE. HOPE YOU HAD A GOOD TIME WHILE IT LASTED.
Look at Post 3. Are you sure Bloomberg was EXCLUDED?
What is your list of 5 polls?
I listened to Baier’s list. I know Fox, Monmouth, Quinnipiac are there. I oculd be incorrect.
I listened to Baier’s list. I know Fox, Monmouth, Quinnipiac are there. I oculd be incorrect.
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I have the Baier program recorded. I did quick look and couldn’t find it. Do you recall in which segment it was mentioned?
Brett included Bloomburg , I think it was the beginning of the show , or maybe right after the announcement .
Perhaps these could be reviewed - not sure if they are the same.
See the 10 Republicans Who Qualified for the Fox News Primetime Debate
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3320618/posts
http://insider.foxnews.com/2015/08/04/top-10-republicans-announced-fox-news-gop-debate-lineup-cleveland-august-6
11:16 Minutes
Fox News GOP Debate Lineups Set - Special Report 1st Segment
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9yWIEJw2MLc
You can always bookmark this thread.
Found this elsewhere:
“The network used the average of five recent national polls to calculate the top 10 candidates. Those polls were conducted by Quinnipiac University, Monmouth University, CBS News, FOX News and Bloomberg.”
Will the debate be carried on radio? I do not have access to cable or Foxnews but would like to listen in.
I just listened to O’Reilly discuss Trump and the debate with Rove. O’Reilly claimed that the reason Trump is ascendant is because of the sharp comments he has made. Rove said no, it is because of the issues he brings up, such as immigration. He reminded O’Reilly that all the candidates had made sharp comments and some were not doing very well (if that was the key). Surprisingly, Rove gave a good analysis of what Trump and the others had to do. I was surprised.
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I agree it was a good analysis! Surprised too!
lol, how nice
they Picked the Average of 5 polls where they didn’t have to worry about a nail-biter at the 10th-11th cutoff points. Notice Kasich is almost 1.5% ahead of Perry. I’m sure if they used other polls that margin would have been far less.
So to summarize:
Despite #1’s ability to go after RINOs (after all he’s one of them at best), instead of having a REAL conservative in the middle podium, we get stuck with this blowhard who tosses out a few obvious statements and pretends like he’s been partying with the Tea Party since it began. Hell, before long he’ll be claiming he invented the Tea Party, just like Al Gore invented the internet. Trump mania is over-rated and unnecessary, because....
#2 makes me wanna go #2. Seriously, the only reason Trump got in this race was because he can see like everyone else that Jebbers is extremely vulnerable because Jebbers sucks worse at debating than Joe Biden. Jebbers is not going to have that creepy opponent staredown like Romney used, it will be more of the deer in the headlights stuplifying look. Once this becomes obvious that Bush sucks on a debate stage, it will become clear that Trump’s entrance wasn’t necessary because any conservative with a pulse, could out-debate Jeb and make him look dumber than dumb. All Trump does is deny the other conservatives a chance to go after Bush because by the time Trump gets done with Bush, the others will feel generally sorry for Bush and lay off because it won’t be pretty. But it would be just as bad if a Walker or Cruz was delivering the beating, different methods, but any of them will work because like we just pointed out, Bush sucks.
#3 Walker’s gonna stand there and pray (I mean pray) that Trump lays a hammer on Bush and he’ll just try to play it safe. Now if Trump comes to the debate handing out “dum-dum lolipops”, he might have to change that strategy up a bit. I don’t think Trump’s going to go after Walker this early, as Walker is a more formidable debater than Bush and if he fires off, I suspect (or expect) Walker to be prepared for it. Essentially, Walker will proceed with caution and let Trump hang Bush, but I don’t think Walker will participate in the beating unless it becomes obvious to join in or become irrelevant.
#4 The Huckster’s biggest concern is getting more folsky stories and one-liners in that a more memorable than the Donald’s. Tall task. I DO think if Walker doesn’t join in on Trump’s assault of Bush that the Huckster will, it’ll become a battle of who can deliver the best 1-liner while beating up on Jebbers. I don’t see Huckster going after the Senators or others, at least not yet.
#5 Carson could be in trouble in this debate. Depending on how much the Donald dominates Bush and the Huckster fighting for 1-liners, his soft spoken nature might leave him irrelevant. I just don’t see him attacking anyone else on stage. If you’re going to do that and just stay on your message and talking points, then you’d better be as good a communicator and debater as...
#6 Cruz will deliver substance to every question. Many who watch him all the time will see the bulk of his answers come from stump speeches which might get a little redundant, but there the right answers to the questions being asked. I don’t see him attacking anyone. I see him defending another if they are unfairly attacked, even if it turns out to be Jebbers depending on the issue. Cruz is about truth and he’s going to give it straight. If he points out differences with other candidates, he’ll say so. People who haven’t seen his stump speeches will remember his answers.
#7 Rubio is going to be in a more difficult position than Walker. Rubio is more likely to come to Jebbers defense and that could risk him getting into it with the Donald. Or Rubio could try to steal the show once Bush is weakened. I don’t see it working because when you see Rubio and Cruz on stage together, you remember Cruz. There’s clearly a difference and Marco knows his skills are inferior to Ted’s.
#8 Paul - Rand who? Is he going to cite the same damn poll from like 5 months ago showing him beating Hillary? I don’t see a strategy for him here without attacking. He’s just dull.
#9 Christie - Will the debate last the full 2 hours? The most intensive exchange possible could be one between Christie and Trump which could cause the whole thing to explode. I could see Christie saying to Donald “shut the hell up” and Trump firing back “you don’t belong on this stage, you belong in one of my personal gyms”. Oh yeah, if there’s an ugly-exchange warning, it’s between these 2 personalities. If it happens, I see Christie walking off thinking that will buy him some points. Do other candidates follow? No, but if it happens some one (Carson) will jump in and say “Can we get back to discussing the real issues that matter?”
10 Kasich - Huntsman 2.0? He’s going to have a strategy like Walker in the debate, not sure if it works out.
My Predictions:
1. Cruz Wins as the Evangelicals, Economic, Domestic, and Foreign policy conservatives see he covers all their bases.
2. Trump attacks Bush successfully but struggles on substance actually answering debate questions lowering his overall performance.
3. Walker is a push, no-harm, no foul
4. The end is near for Rand Paul
5. Jeb Bush is significantly weakened. Walker moves into a solid 2nd and Cruz ties Bush for 3rd in future polls. Trump falls back slightly (or more) but probably remains in 1st.
After Thursday, the next Republican debates are scheduled for September 16th and October 28th.
As for the Democrats, they have not scheduled any debates as of yet.
Won’t Democrats across the country feel a little left out of the 2016 presidential race if they only see Republicans debating? And won’t many of those Democrats start finding appealing candidates among the Republicans and start drifting away from the Democratic party?
Maybe one of the news anchors should ask Debbie Wasserman Schultz, the head of the DNC, why her party can’t get itself together to hold debates like the Republicans are capable of doing.
I know. I didn’t mean to be rude. It is just that the debate won’t happen until Thursday.
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