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1 posted on 06/13/2015 12:40:41 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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You never quit do you?


2 posted on 06/13/2015 12:42:58 PM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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The issue is not TPA (the enabling legislation) itself, but the super-secret TPP, which Obama is going to great lengths to hide from the public and trade experts. If TPA passes, then TPP skates into irreversible law. So Cruz’s whole argument is disingenuous at best, dishonest at worst.


5 posted on 06/13/2015 12:47:25 PM PDT by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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Well, TPA will certainly help his wife’s firm. Us, not so much.


6 posted on 06/13/2015 12:47:31 PM PDT by ricmc2175
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What kind of comments do you expect from the Ted is a traitor, Pelosi is a hero crowd? LOL

Personally I don’t love it but I know we will now eat a far worse crap sammich and the rest of the candidates are cowards for slinking away after supporting and even lobbying for it.


7 posted on 06/13/2015 12:47:46 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Sad political fact. Most people prefer a popular lie over an unpopular fact.)
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Like so many other things, Ted is right on this one also.


9 posted on 06/13/2015 12:48:49 PM PDT by Controlling Legal Authority
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Pathetic post for Obama, Goldman Sachs’ Trade Agreement
Dept., and to support a bad judgement by “Toast” Cruz
now costing Cruz a large fraction of his supporters.


11 posted on 06/13/2015 12:51:36 PM PDT by Diogenesis ("When a crime is unpunished, the world is unbalanced.")
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My comment on this article goes to this, from the article itself:

“Trade in the Pacific has become crucial, because the un-named elephant in the room is communist China, who wants to dominate the region. “

I will just point out that China is so much the un-named elephant in the room, because AMERICAN COMPANIES, are all sold out and buying everything from China. Just last year we set (yet another) in a long line of ever-increasing trade deficits with China, we are now at 342 billion last year, and it’s still growing.

That is the big problem.

We don’t need more free trade agreements, we need to bring businesses back to America.


13 posted on 06/13/2015 12:51:56 PM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network (http://www.census.gov/foreign-tradebalance/c5700.html)
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All these wonderful trade agreements have done is help us lose hundreds of thousands of manufacturing jobs. The furniture, textile, and so many others are all gone now.

Billy Bob Clinton said we were going to train the 55 year old textile worker to do a higher paying computer job. Laughable. Both parties have sold American workers down the river.

I can take you to areas of the nation that were once thriving that are now broke. Enough is enough. I am tried of all the Chamber Boys in the republican party.

The Chamber of Commerce is now controlled by big dollar elitists — Wall Street, Silicon Valley, etc. Republicans = Chamber Boys.

The Chamber wants illegal immigration. They want TPA and TPP too.


14 posted on 06/13/2015 12:52:28 PM PDT by boycott
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I’m willing to give Cruz the benefit of the doubt on this.
I disagree with him on this, but he’s still the best option we have.


15 posted on 06/13/2015 12:52:34 PM PDT by Lurkinanloomin (Know Islam, No Peace - No Islam, Know Peace)
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”… it created a process in which the president could be held accountable."

The president currently cannot be held accountable. This is because, even after three election cycles low-information voters have failed to elect the constitutionally required 2/3 senate majority needed to discipline a lawless, House-impeached president.

The 17th Amendment needs to disappear, and corrupt senators along with it.

16 posted on 06/13/2015 12:52:49 PM PDT by Amendment10
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Ted Cruz is my most favored candidate.
BUT he's going to LOSE ME ON AMNESTY and THE TRADE BILL that ain't about trade,
but it's about GIVING the ILLEGAL ALIEN IN CHIEF that power to dictate AMNESTY FOR ILLEGALS !
19 posted on 06/13/2015 12:54:48 PM PDT by Yosemitest (It's Simple ! Fight, ... or Die !)
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Ted Cruz is right on the trade deal

From the perspective of this White House, and the GOPe, and K Street, yeah.

Otherwise, not so much...

25 posted on 06/13/2015 1:01:20 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (With Republicans like these, who needs Democrats?)
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TPA should be unconstitutional....the constitution clearly describes how agreements with other nations must be conducted.

But, to appease the corporatists, Congress decided to redefine trade deals with other nations as different from treaties with other nations.

The SCOTUS said that was fine and that Congress could give away it’s constitutional power.

Why is this happening?

Because treaties are difficult to get approved. You need 2/3 of the Senate. Well, that is just inconvenient to our purchased Congressmen....so, they usurp the.Constitution to appease their corporate masters.

If Ted Cruz really believed in the Constitution, he would oppose this with every fiber of his being.

The Founders intended such things to be difficult.

The TPA is to treaties what the nuclear option is to executive appointments.....the easy, lazy way out.


26 posted on 06/13/2015 1:08:14 PM PDT by Erik Latranyi (President Walker - Attorney General Cruz (enforcing immigration laws for real))
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He’s NOT right if only because of the secrecy involved. A deal made in secret deserves a “NO” vote regardless of what’s in it.


29 posted on 06/13/2015 1:09:25 PM PDT by babygene (.)
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Trade in the Pacific has become crucial, because the un-named elephant in the room is communist China, who wants to dominate the region. Some sort of TPP must be passed; there is more than free trade at stake here, national security is tied to this.

And how did the old paper dragon become the elephant in the room? Well, by US trade policies with China since the late '70s which have enriched and empowered China to become a threat to dominate the region.

And national security has been at stake since the late '70s when Deng Xiaoping visited Jimmy Carter and began to open trade with the US and set in motion the incredible transfer of US factories, technology and jobs from the US to China. Carter didn't just give away the Panama Canal.

Without that, communist China would be no threat to dominate anything.

Our policies in Asia over the years have weakened the US economically and weakened our national security, and the policies being debated now will only continue or speed up that trend.

The Asian model for growth followed by Japan, South Korea and China will be followed by the new TPP partners.

Lure US production to your Asian nation, gain maximum possible to the US market, allow minimal access to your market, and export, export, export to the US. A proven formula.

It's a mistake to give Obama fast track authority.

And the TPP would be a mistake.

Both will probably happen, just as all the mistakes trading with Asia have happened through the years.

And after about 60 years, our negotiating geniuses are still trying to open the Japan market to US rice. No free trade in rice with Japan.

31 posted on 06/13/2015 1:10:07 PM PDT by Will88
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This Trade deal is a deal breaker with me.

Now I’m looking for another candidate.

Those are my thoughts.


33 posted on 06/13/2015 1:13:06 PM PDT by crusher2013
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Thanks for all your posts 2ndDivisionVet.

In regards to TPA and TPP, many Americans just don't trust the word of any politician let it be Obama or Ted Cruz. Take for example this quote from the article you posted:

“Nothing in the TPP can change American law, on immigration or any other issue, it is not a treaty, and cannot supercede statutory law.”

It is the unfortunate record of Congress and the President to ignore American law and the American Constitution in fact and in spirit. Why would Congress keep their word and show resolve in regards to disagreements with TPP?

Why does Ted Cruz think he will be anymore successful in stopping those things in TPP that he disagrees with? Have the Republicans been successful in stopping ObamaCare or Obama’s Executive Orders on Immigration. It seems Republicans say much and do little. Isn't that how they have behaved recently now and in the past?

38 posted on 06/13/2015 1:20:16 PM PDT by pleasenotcalifornia
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With all the confusion by WTP on TTP TAP and the commentary from the media, the pundits, and even the elite DC establishment WTP are so confused our head could only be soothed by sticking it in sand. US/WTP either got royally knifed in the back or we have corralled a dangerous, illegal alien sitting in the oo. At the moment holding judgment until such time the ‘secret’ documents see daylight and WTP actually know what little details are written on those blank pages. So confusing - which is what the liberals do. They excel at confusing the issue —up is down, right is left, evil is good. To Sen Cruz (or any other DC elite) WTP implore you to read to us just what is on these pages so ALL of US are well aware just what road we’ve taken. Is there anyone in DC who is brave enough to tell US the truth...even once?????


42 posted on 06/13/2015 1:25:37 PM PDT by V K Lee
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I have no objection to a trade deal, in fact I think it MAY be a good idea depending on what is set up. However giving ANY president, much less Obama, absolute and total control over any deal just because it is “easier” is B.S. and the wrong road to go down.

So it makes Obama ‘Accountable?” Who cares? When we find out what a bad deal he has made we can point to him and say “see, he's still an idiot”. Big Deal.

49 posted on 06/13/2015 1:28:51 PM PDT by MRadtke (Light a candle or curse the darkness?)
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Yes...according to many on here, he sold us out. This article is BS...same old establishment tripe.

Cruz is no longer Conservative. He is a traitor. He sold us out. Nevermind that this TPA was created a long time ago that gave FAST TRACK authority to then President Bush.

Ted Cruz is losing ground. He is finished. I used to like him, but he no more. BTW, did you know his wife works for Goldmann?

There, said it for the trolls.

Go CRUZ!


52 posted on 06/13/2015 1:29:47 PM PDT by TNMOUTH
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