Rand Paul: I’ll win black voters to GOP

The Boston Herald ^ | April 8, 2015 | Chris Cassidy

[entropy12]

No. In my political judgement of 55 years since arriving in this country as a post-graduate student, Walker is more electable than Paul, Cruz & Rubio. And I am done with the Bushes. So I am supporting Walker. If polls change and my perception of the landscape changes, I will adapt my support.

In our system of government, winning elections is paramount. No matter how good conservative one is, after losing election there is zero power to change any laws. Ask any one of the past losers what laws they have proposed in congress or from white house and got them passed. The answer is ZERO.

Walker is not pure in some areas. But he is a good conservative based on his record as governor in Wisconsin. It is never easy for a republican to win in Wisconsin. Obama carried the state twice. Walker has proven his ability to win in a bluish swing state. Wisconsin is not Texas or Mississippi or Alabama. And governors have won more in past often than senators.

[sickoflibs]

RE:”Romney won that group hands down.”
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No, he only “won” that group, and by a few points. He DID NOT win 75 to 89 percent of the white vote, which is how EVERY REPUBLICAN did in the South. “

You're talk radio dreaming . Romney did great with the white vote, He didn't do well with single white women but Republicans rarely do, problem is that group has grown and grown over the years..

What Mark and Rush wont tell you is that Obama won because he turned out the nonwhite groups to vote in record numbers. If Republicans cant win their votes they at least need to not inspire them to vote.

Obama’s key groups made the difference — both in their makeup of the electorate and, for the most part, their strength of support for him.
Non-whites made up 28 percent of the electorate, up a bit from 27 percent in 2008. This group largely backed Obama: 71 percent of Hispanics (it was 67 percent last time), and 93 percent of blacks (down a touch from 95 percent).
Republican challenger Mitt Romney won among white voters by 20 percentage points. That’s up from John McCain’s edge of +12 points in 2008.

Fox News exit poll summary: Obama's key groups made the difference(November 07, 2012 ·FoxNews.com )

[GeronL]

electable.... like Romney, Dole, McCain etc

[GeronL]

Romney certainly inspired conservatives not to vote.

[cornfedcowboy]

I think Paul deserves some credit. He is not afraid whatsoever to approach those groups that oppose him. Not sure if that will help him win an election but good nevertheless.

[BobL]

“Republican challenger Mitt Romney won among white voters by 20 percentage points. That’s up from John McCain’s edge of +12 points in 2008.”

20 points (60-40) is NOT ENOUGH, given the makeup of the electorate. If you could do any MATH, you’d realize that Republicans WON the white vote in the South by 50 to 78 points. Republicans need to win the white vote by at least 30% nationally, which SHOULD BE EASY considering their performance in the South last year.

But I do realize that COMMON CORE is now taking hold.

[entropy12]

Whoever told you I am 100% in tune with Rand Paul lied to you. Our elections are a disgrace for a technologically advanced country. Voter ID must be a minimum requirement.

Just to compare with elections in another country, here is how elections are conducted in a “banana republic” of Honduras.....as reported by an American married to a local.

I had the opportunity to go watch my wife, a citizen of Honduras, vote in last year’s presidential election in Tegucigalpa. It was a real eye-opener, and I can only wish the US had such a strict voting process.

Everyone in Honduras is required to vote in the precinct which is indicated on their government issued (free) photo ID card. Every citizen over 18 is required to have an national ID, and everyone with an ID can vote. No one else, and no one is registered as a member of a certain party, merely a citizen. My wife’s precinct is Barrio El Bosque, so she was required to go to the Escuela de 14 de Julio (local elementary school) if she wanted to vote.

When we arrived at the voting place there were hundreds of people milling around the street and a long line was waiting to enter. The entire scene was closely watched over by Army and Policía Nacionál to make sure order was kept. For the most part everything was quite orderly, and people were polite to each other even with the shoulder-to-shoulder crowd. After showing ID, passing the guard and entering the school we went to the main table in the courtyard where they ran her ID through a computer and she was given a little slip of paper that indicated her name, her precinct, her “mesa” (voting area) and “linea” number (her number on the voter registration list). Every citizen is automatically registered to vote, and their name, Id photo and precinct number is on a list posted in that precinct.

The “mesas” in this case are rooms in the school, numbered in order to handle the hundreds of people waiting to vote. Her mesa was number 8586, so after finding the room, there was a list of all registered voters beside the door. She checked her line number with photo, 235, to make sure she is at the right door, the man watching the door checked her ID against the list, and let her in. She went to the table inside the room
for a ballot, was checked again for ID and compared it to the info and photo in the registry, was given two ballots, one for president and one for congress, and this time they held her ID while she voted. I was allowed in as a foreign observer, but was not on school tables for privacy, so after voting she deposited her ballots in the appropriate boxes, was given her ID back and we left.

I wanted to take photos but no cameras were allowed anywhere but in the street. No alcohol is sold anywhere in Honduras from Saturday through Monday, the day before and the day after election.

They take voter ID, and potential vote fraud, VERY seriously. All ballots are paper, and all have the candidate’s info and photo. There are eight official parties in Honduras, and the one with the most votes wins. The police and the army watch the voting very closely. One woman was caught with an extra ballot, and was immediately arrested. The Honduras news media, which is quite politically unbiased, indicated that both local and official foreign observers found only three cases of vote fraud in the entire country.

It was certainly an eye-opener for me! If this is the difference between a the US and a Banana Republic, then I’ll take a banana republic election anytime.

Going back to my opinion on incarcerating non-violent casual drug abusers, Rand Paul has a good agenda. If you take time to find out what it costs to support a convict in prison, you might change your mind. It will not exactly balance the huge budget deficits, but a step in right direction. I also like Rand Paul’s pushing for a balanced budget amendment. It is not a cure-all but again a step in the right direction.

[MaxMax]

Walker may be good for Wisconsin, but not as President.

So you choose the candidate "you think" is most likely to win, instead of values.
That's what I got from your post. Whistling past the graveyard to the voting booth.

Do you even care if Walker supports the GOP in Amnesty? And what about his
closed door meetings with the Chamber, for all you know he's giving them
the wink and nod for Amnesty.

"What we don't know" is what was talked about. Is that the candidate you
think is more electable? A candidate who isn't open enough before an
election will certainly not be after, and will tell the voters to
kiss his arse. Chronic Potomac Fever.

[sickoflibs]

RE:”Romney certainly inspired conservatives not to vote.”

He didn't need to as Obama did that for him.
Executive amnesty, gay marriage, open gays in military, raising taxes , personal mandate, .....
Obama got conservatives out there to take a stand against him and those things. Few conservatives wanted to live knowing they didn't try to beat him.

Problem is, and Mark and Rush wont admit it, that American citizens today are little like those were in 1984.

To listen to them its still 1984 over 30 years ago.

[BobL]

Druggies RARELY serve in jail just for drugs...they PLEAD DOWN, usually violent crimes - so when Rand Paul looks at the stats that he’s spoon-fed he’s simply UNABLE to understand that these people still NEED TO BE IN JAIL, just to protect innocent civilians.

Regarding Voter ID. A dual-national Mexican showed me his voter ID - it contained a picture, bar code, description, signature, and God know what else. I agree with you, we are a TOTAL EMBARRASSMENT.

You should really ask yourself why RAND PAUL cannot seem to figure that out.

[entropy12]

If you are comparing Walker with Romney, McCain & Dole, I have nothing more to debate with you. Be more realistic, honest and logical, and we can have a civil debate.

[entropy12]

Because Rand Paul is not all that smart. Which is why my support is going to governor Walker.

[entropy12]

I follow president Reagan’s advice “I will vote for the most conservative who can win”. Reagan did not say he will only vote for the MOST conservative candidate.

[BobL]

“roblem is, and Mark and Rush wont admit it, that American citizens today are little like those were in 1984.”

I agree. THEY ARE NOT. My parents were FDR Democrats. They HATED high taxes, gay marriage, the Soviets, regulations, and just about everything else most FReepers hate. But they were part of Camelot and they would NEVER, EVER, VOTE for a Republican.

They are dead now, replaced by people that are not nearly as closed-minded - so yes, the electorate is NOTHING like it was in 1984, when Reagan had to write off 45 percent of the vote before even attempting to put a majority together. Today that number is about 30% (blacks, some Hispanics, and gays).

[tanknetter]

Blacks are keen on seeing through phoneys who try to get jiggy with it ( a Will Smith slang term ).

What’s worse is when white people are not authentic and act outside their normal selves.

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Rand Paul acting like your from the hood isn’t going to cut it.

This.

HERE is what Rand Paul's outreach to the Black Community has gotten him:

Do not be fooled by Sen. Paul. I appreciate sincere efforts to work with our community and look for ways to better the lives of our children. But we have fought too long to give our precious vote to one who with one breath asks for support, and with the next promises to tear down the foundations of our progress, while surrounding himself with hate-filled people.

[BobL]

“Because Rand Paul is not all that smart. Which is why my support is going to governor Walker.”

Walker is cool guy - he’s my number 2. I would have NO PROBLEM voting for him.

[entropy12]

A drug abuser who indulges at home, is not driving a car intoxicated, who does not sell drugs, and is non-violent, should not be incarcerated. If he is breaking state law, a fine should be sufficient. The poor people get prison time more often because they can not afford good lawyers.

If someone wants to fry his brains with drugs at their home, or are carrying minimum amounts in their car, I really do not want to pay for their prison cost, court cost, judge’s salaries, bailiff salararies and a whole battery of costs associated with convicting a casual drig abuser.

[sickoflibs]

RE:”They are dead now, replaced by people that are not nearly as closed-minded - so yes, the electorate is NOTHING like it was in 1984, when Reagan had to write off 45 percent of the vote before even attempting to put a majority together. Today that number is about 30% (blacks, some Hispanics, and gays).”

If you really think that Americans on the average are more conservative than they were in 1984 then you are on drugs.(or just believe whatever Mark and Rush say)

I hope I just misunderstood what I read,

The country moves leftward every year and its been doing it for decades. Even Reagan could see it in his second term when he raised taxes and signed amnesty.

The GOP still wins most midterms because lib voters stay home for those.

[entropy12]

Governor Walker’s “amnesty” position is almost identical to others and than includes senator Cruz’s position. None, zero, nada, of the candidates running will deport 90%+ of illegals, and that includes senator Cruz.

[fieldmarshaldj]

We’re not disagreeing here as far as I can tell. Calling McQueeg and Willard “Moderates” is giving them too much credit, as they were nothing but leftist ringers for Zero. They were there to lose, not to win. They weren’t appealing to anyone but the media and party establishment.

I absolutely concur that it’s the Conservative message that needs to be taken to the Black community, not wishy-washy leftist pandering. Leftist welfare-state, family-destroying policies are to blame for the current state of affairs in the Black community, and if some Republicans decide to take up championing or proliferating those destructive policies, they should be thoroughly repudiated.

I am 100% for Cruz.