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Inocent Man shot in Face by FBI shows improvement
The Baltimore Sun ^ | By Gail Gibson

Posted on 03/05/2002 9:38:26 PM PST by SharpEye

Edited on 09/03/2002 4:50:01 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

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To: jamesbond
I personally know the girl's father. I used to live in the same neighborhood but recently moved. I've been in contact with neighbors who have been talking to Mr. Harkum. The bullet entered the side of the boy's face at an approximate angle of 45 degrees and exited his lower jaw underneath his chin. The front of the boy's face is not damaged and the bullet entrance hole in the right side of his face is rather small. His jawbone has been shattered and he will require extensive surgeries for some time to come. However, he is not completley disfigured.
21 posted on 03/06/2002 4:33:05 AM PST by Mustard
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To: joebuck
What policy are they talking about?

The "secret police" policy most likely.

22 posted on 03/06/2002 4:33:38 AM PST by Hoosier Patriot
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To: a merkin
And the networks and cable are exactly where on this????


23 posted on 03/06/2002 4:35:43 AM PST by Hoosier Patriot
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To: Hoosier Patriot
The media would have been all over this story if the victim had been black.
24 posted on 03/06/2002 4:42:35 AM PST by Durus
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To: jamesbond
I don't know about you, but I am getting pretty fed up with government agencies, across the board. We need to start privatizing.

No.

We need for every responsible citizen to start packing heat, and quite blatantly so. And if one of these thugs gets out of line, he gets made an example of.

I've got no qualms over seeing a corrupt "law enforcement officer" bleeding to death in the street, if it saves one innocent life.

Anyone have a problem with this?

25 posted on 03/06/2002 4:57:53 AM PST by Darth Sidious
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To: Mustard
That is welcome news. I hope the young man heals quickly and fully.
26 posted on 03/06/2002 5:01:05 AM PST by bvw
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To: Zon
It doesn't matter if the guy was guilty or innocent. Medical help should have been called for immediately.

The girl's Father was in a position to get her story accurately and I have no doubt that what he said is exactly right. If so, then the agents should be prosecuted and convicted. This is in addition to whatever charges should be brought regarding shooting an innocent kid.

29 posted on 03/06/2002 6:41:59 AM PST by yarddog
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To: markwar
you need to come to the defense of some poor federal officer here.

Perhaps you can set up some sort of relief fund for him (or her)

30 posted on 03/06/2002 6:48:39 AM PST by fod
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To: Harley - Mississippi
Either we are a country of laws and hence DUE PROCESS means something or we will be no better than the seventh century knuckle-dragging moslem Taliban. If a COURT OF LAW finds that the FBI agent broke the law, then he should be prosecuted to the FULLEST extent of the law and receive the maximum possible sentence to set an example. He should not be set upon, assaulted or murdered by a citizen who perceives he is corrupt because YOU ARE NOT THE LAW.

But, the courts have repeatedly failed to try corrupt government officials for their crimes, including murder. For example, none of the agents who murdered Vicki Weaver and her son, and then blatantly lied about it in court, went to jail. Charges against Lon Horiuchi were reduced, then dropped. Evidence has also come out that FBI agents and informants participated in murders during the 60's, again without sanction. No agents spent a day in jail for any part of the Waco massacre. In fact, the sham Burton Commission gave the government a 100% clean bill of health in that case.

In this case, the agency doesn't even have the decency to release the name of a attempted murderer, because it's one of their own. It is quite clear the FBI is acting well above the law, even to the extent that laws that apply to us apply to it at all. (For example, the agent's weapon would be a multiple felony in civilian hands, but evidently not in an FBI agent's hand.) Can you imagine what charges would be filed if a civilian did that to another civilian, or worse, if a civilian did that to an FBI agent?

Let us suppose that this agent is not tried for any crime, and that the next agent who does likewise is also not tried, and the next, and the next, and the next. This would certainly be consistent with historical precedent. What course of action would be appropriate, if it were demonstrably true that agents are quite simply above the law? What would you do? At them moment, we can't even get the agent's name, let alone be assured that charges will be filed. Needless to say, if a suspect fails to identify himself officer is also criminal in some cases - but again, the agent and his agency is above this law too.

31 posted on 03/06/2002 6:49:32 AM PST by coloradan
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To: fod
>you need to come to the defense of some poor federal officer here. Perhaps you can set up some sort of relief fund for him (or her)

[yawns]

Oh, I'm sorry. My bad. Did you say something?

Mark W.

32 posted on 03/06/2002 6:52:21 AM PST by MarkWar
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To: SharpEye
Haven't read this thread but in case no one has mentioned it, there's another thread going on here, something like, "FBI to speak publicly . . . ."
33 posted on 03/06/2002 6:54:16 AM PST by Amore
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To: MarkWar
I see you posses the same type of arrogance as the people you defend.

Sad.

34 posted on 03/06/2002 6:55:58 AM PST by fod
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To: Harley - Mississippi
just for for the record, I agree with you.
35 posted on 03/06/2002 6:57:32 AM PST by bvw
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To: SharpEye
This FBI criminal will probably get fired because he failed the FBI's klintoon-administration prime directive: "Exterminate all non-criminal peasants."
36 posted on 03/06/2002 7:47:18 AM PST by SuperLuminal
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To: Harley - Mississippi
Got a newsflash for you: the Second Amendment ain't there for purposes of hunting wild game.

In a sane world, this FBI agent's identity would be announced for all to hear. In a saner world he would have been shot too... as a warning to the others.

You speak of "the law". Where does "the law" come from... the government? No sir... it comes from God, and in America God didn't set up a "Caesar": He gave responsibility of upholding the law to ALL of us, not just a select few that have the audacity to believe they can lord it over us.

We are free by the grace of God, not the grace of other men.

And if other men refused to believe this by wisdom, they must be made to believe it... by force.

There is nothing wrong whatsoever with injuring/killing another person if doing so prevents injury/death to you or your loved ones. That goes for those who would abuse a badge, too.

37 posted on 03/06/2002 9:02:46 AM PST by Darth Sidious
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To: yarddog

It doesn't matter if the guy was guilty or innocent. Medical help should have been called for immediately.

Thanks, I was hoping somebody else would mention that. That the FBI agents assumed the man was guilty is that they thought their victims less than human. Considering their gross errors, what does that make the FBI agents? I bet neither agent has reached out to the victims personally with any kind of apology or showing of remorse.

38 posted on 03/06/2002 9:11:01 AM PST by Zon
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To: bvw
Harley hasn't taken a shot at answering my serious question, above. Would you?
39 posted on 03/06/2002 9:54:12 AM PST by coloradan
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To: coloradan
I'd be speechless and without a home.
40 posted on 03/06/2002 10:37:04 AM PST by bvw
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