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America's laser of death cleared for take-off
The Sunday Telegraph (U.K.) ^ | 02/17/2002 | Sean Rayment

Posted on 02/16/2002 4:17:58 PM PST by Pokey78

AMERICA'S enemies will soon face a weapon, once confined to the Star Wars films, that can bring death at the speed of light.

The special operations AC-130 Spectre gunship, whose conventional weaponry has been used to devastating effect since the Vietnam War, is to be fitted with a laser that can shoot down missiles, punch holes in aircraft and knock out ground radar stations.

Despite the successful operations against Taliban and al-Qaeda fighters in Afghanistan, the emergence of asymmetric terrorist warfare - attacks such as September 11 where the enemy is unseen - has led the Pentagon to identify the need for a more sophisticated and deadly weapons system.

The next generation gunship, codenamed AC-X and nicknamed 'Son of Spectre' by US defence officials, will carry all the weaponry already used on the AC-130, including twin 20mm Vulcan cannon (capable of firing 2,500 rounds per minute), 40mm Bofor cannon (100 rounds per minute) and a 105mm Howitzer. Its 21st-century addition, however, will be its biggest punch: a chemical oxygen iodine laser (Coil), capable of carrying out lethal and non-lethal attacks.

The advantage of laser weapons is that they strike at the speed of light. In the Coil, the power of a chemical reaction is converted to laser energy, and the weapon can carry on firing as long as its power source is intact.

Paul Wolfowitz, the US deputy defence secretary, has given the go-ahead for the next-generation AC-130, which includes full funding for the "integration of a direct-energy weapon".

The Pentagon is yet to announce when the new laser-equipped "Son of Spectre" will come into operation, but it is understood that the first upgraded version could be involved in military operations within two years.

Although lasers exist that can hit aircraft, disable optically guided missiles and destroy communications lines, the ability to vaporise enemy troops and vehicles Star Wars-style will take a few more years to develop.

The Spectre, flown by the 16th Special Operations Squadron, has a crew of 13, including two observers using television and infra-red images to direct the four gunners on to their target.

Working in pairs, normally providing close air support for special forces ground operations, Spectres can circle targets for hours, pulverising areas the size of football pitches with extraordinary precision.

The Spectre has, however, come to the end of its operational life and further upgrades have been ruled out on cost grounds.

Rob Hewson, the editor of Jane's Air Launched Weapons, said: "The laser will be the atomic weapon of the 21st century. Since the 1970s, US scientists have conducted a series of secret experiments in the Nevada desert using lasers.

"We know that they had lasers capable of causing immense damage but they needed huge power packs. This remains a problem and this is why a laser weapon can only be fitted on an air frame the size of the AC-130. But advances will be made and the power plant will shrink and one day it will dominate the battle field.

"The Americans may already have a very powerful laser weapon far more advanced than we have seen. They have been carrying out research in this field for years but it is a very secret weapons programme and we have no idea how far they have progressed."

Once the Coil and its power plant have been fully developed, the USAF hopes to fit it to a whole range of manned and unmanned aircraft, such as the Predator reconnaissance probe, which is fitted with Hellfire missiles and has been used in CIA operations in Afghanistan.

Lasers could also be used as an additional weapon system to fighters, bombers, helicopter gunships and warships but this is unlikely for a decade.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: miltech
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To: timestax
I'm p*ssed that USA didn't do somthing to eliminate their crude radio communication "network".

Actually, we monitored their communications as a way to tell what was going on in their ranks. I believe that was how we knew Atef was killed. The clever terrorists broadcast the results of their "search-and-rescue" efforts on their radios. Also, some of our spotters spoke Arabic. They would ask their targets if they had been hit and the targets, assuming they were talking to comrades, obliging told them how far off the bombs had hit.

We also used it to sow disinformation. Surrender instructions and related information was sent over these frequencies.
141 posted on 02/17/2002 9:42:23 AM PST by My Identity
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To: My Identity
devide=device
142 posted on 02/17/2002 9:44:30 AM PST by My Identity
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To: Fzob
1315nm? I always thought that these chemical lasers were going to be UV. This is a convenient wavelength, however. There's a popular Nd:YAG line at 1320nm. Their optics will be almost off-the-shelf.
143 posted on 02/17/2002 10:06:14 AM PST by Redcloak
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To: 69ConvertibleFirebird
Don't be too proud of the technological terror you've constructed. The ability to destroy a planet is insignificant next to the power of the force.
144 posted on 02/17/2002 10:20:11 AM PST by Redcloak
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To: RadioAstronomer
Hi RA! Long time no see (sort of). Interesting thread. If the beam of light is at 1.315 micrometers, that is 1,315 nanometers in my book. That means the beam is in the infra-red region of the EM spectrum and thus not visible to the human eye (bummer).

When I lived in San Diego, some nights at the beach you could see two very strong green laser beams eminating from a scientific park near Miramar NAS, and shooting out over the Pacific ocean. They appeared to be roughly parallel to the Earth's surface, and parallel to each other, but appeared to intersect at the horizon. I always assumed that the intersection was an illusion caused by my perspective. The beams also appeared to curve around the Earth thus maintaining the same altitude. Again, I don't trust the visual info my eyes were reporting. This would have been around 1987 or 88 . Do you know anything about these green beams?

145 posted on 02/17/2002 2:20:12 PM PST by lafroste
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To: My Identity
Well I still don't think what we got out of it was worth more then paralyzing them with the knowledge that they had absolutely no way of quick communication.
146 posted on 02/17/2002 5:16:55 PM PST by timestax
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To: Pokey78
Is it too late for clinton to sell the plans to China?
147 posted on 02/17/2002 5:20:15 PM PST by breakem
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To: RadioAstronomer
Why use something as complicated as a mirror? A better defense would be plain old water vapor, i.e., a cloud. Lasers do have problems penatrating cloud cover. If you used smoke particles mixed with very finely misted water vapor, the laser would have trouble breaking through while maintaining coherency.
148 posted on 02/17/2002 5:53:42 PM PST by Alas Babylon!
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To: xzins
Good guess:

My guess is that it's directed more at the American public and to congresscritters. It directly links to the Star Wars initiative and demonstrates the feasibility of that effort.

149 posted on 02/17/2002 7:45:08 PM PST by GOPJ
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To: Jewels1091
A belated answer to your question...hypersonic aircraft of unbelievable capabilities. We didn't just outspend the Ruskies during the cold war, we outsped, outgunned, etc....and the only reason we never deployed the "stealth" cruise missle was that it was a true first strike weapon. The Russians are terrified at our capabilities so when push comes to shove, they will agree with whatever we do in our war, despite their protestations. The Euros are just clueless as usual.
150 posted on 02/17/2002 8:25:29 PM PST by Nuke'm Glowing
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To: timestax
Why would you use superweapons against cave men? It's a waste. Use what the world can accept and against an Iran or North Korea, give them the demonstration that will terrify everyone into (as Cartman would say) "respecting our authoriti"......
151 posted on 02/17/2002 8:27:37 PM PST by Nuke'm Glowing
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To: Pokey78
There is a another, somewhat larger, LASER being fitted to a 747 right now. It's mission is to shoot down theatre range ballistic missiles, like the Scud, during the boost phase. Now that is a big laser. This C-130 version would just be a pipsqeak in comparison.
152 posted on 02/17/2002 8:31:01 PM PST by El Gato
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To: tet68
lazer That's LASER, Light Amplification by Stimulated Emission of Radiation. Been studying on 'em since high school, way back in the bad old 1960s. But at least they are younger than I am. :) Predecessor was the MASER, where "M" stands for Microwave. The moniker fits the MASER bettter than most LASERs since they really are used as low noise amplifiers. Most LASERs are more akin to oscillators rather than amplifiers. The current high powered ones are chemically powered, usually with some real nasty chemicals too.
153 posted on 02/17/2002 8:38:44 PM PST by El Gato
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To: ROCKLOBSTER
You mean like a...(gulp)....arc welder?

Actually more like oxy-acetylene, since most of the big LASERs are chemically powered, sort of like a rocket engine with mirrors transverse to the exhaust.

154 posted on 02/17/2002 8:43:55 PM PST by El Gato
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To: section9
One day about five or six years ago, the neighborhood where I reside all saw a super bright light, on a clear, blue sky, summer afternoon. And two years ago at night, again it was cloudless but at night , I saw a greenish bright light pass over the area going South to North. The greenish light reminded me of the lazer in the movie REAL GENIUS of the late 80's. Could be nothing, prolly nothing, but Wright Pat is 50 miles from me so who knows.
155 posted on 02/17/2002 8:49:15 PM PST by timestax
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To: Lancey Howard
This was around 1973. He talked about US use of lasers in Vietnam and I just took him for goofy. But over the years, I have seen enough references to wonder if maybe we were indeed playing around with lasers back then.

We were using LASERs in Vietnam. The same sort we used in Desert Storm and against the taliwackers. The realatively low powered sort that Laser Guided Bombs (LGBs) home in on. I used to work with and for a guy who was the CO of the unit to first use them in combat..poof no more Paul Dohmer(sic) bridge, which had "eaten" several aircraft trying to take it down prior to that. Hard on AAA sites also. He later went to work for the company that made the guidance kits, which is where I met him.

156 posted on 02/17/2002 8:54:21 PM PST by El Gato
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To: El Gato
bump
157 posted on 02/17/2002 11:15:07 PM PST by timestax
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To: kanawa
Fire=Laser beam....NOT

OK, pretend YOU are merely back at the Battle at Concord.

Just how would YOU describe the effects of such a weapon? (Using the accumulated knowledge of the times???)

158 posted on 02/18/2002 3:45:43 AM PST by Elsie
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To: Nuke'm Glowing
Why would you use superweapons against cave men?

Sorry Kawana, but: "Who can make war against the Beast?"

159 posted on 02/18/2002 3:49:19 AM PST by Elsie
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To: American in Israel
You will really like this link for the FEL laser.

The USA, Israel, Russia, and the Netherlands are the only players in the game.

160 posted on 02/18/2002 6:28:22 AM PST by beowolf
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