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How bin Laden strategy thwarts the FBI
The Telegraph (U.K.) ^ | 11/24/2001 | Ben Fenton

Posted on 11/23/2001 5:25:06 PM PST by Pokey78

SOME 18 months ago Osama bin Laden authorised a secondary tier of terrorists with only indirect links to al-Qa'eda, FBI sources say.

The network was to operate on his behalf and on its own initiative in Europe, the Middle East and America.

The bureau believes that this devolution of responsibility has thwarted it from bringing a single charge against anyone for involvement in the suicide hijackings that killed about 4,000 people in New York, Washington and Pennsylvania.

Today, 74 days and almost six million man-hours into the largest criminal investigation in the nation's history, the FBI cannot even prove that a terrorist conspiracy took place on American soil on September 11.

More than 1,200 people, almost all of Arab or Central Asian descent, have been arrested and at least half are still in jail.

About 4,000 FBI agents and another 3,000 support staff have been involved in the investigation. But at best they have only four people regarded as likely to be involved in the attacks.

Despite the huge investment of time and money, the FBI's senior officers have regretfully concluded that the answer to their problems will come from Europe.

A government source said last week: "The major investigative activity is coming outside the United States."

Hundreds of FBI agents are already working with police in Britain, Europe and the Middle East. American information has helped in the arrest of 360 people suspected of links to bin Laden, including 100 in Europe.

Bureau sources said they were confident that the arrest and pursuit of several men in European and Arab countries, who can be tied both to the 19 suicide hijackers and to bin Laden, would provide the evidence to conclude the American side of their investigation.

At present, most of those being held in America are accused of immigration offences. One man, Agus Budiman, an Indonesian, has been charged with document fraud for helping his countryman Mohammed bin Nasser Belfas to obtain a Virginia driver's licence.

Both men came from Hamburg, where American officials believe the conspiracy was fomented. But there has been no proof so far of their complicity.

Like the other four men regarded as likely co-conspirators, Ayub Ali Khan, Mohammed Jaweed Azmath, Nabil al-Marabh and Zacarias Moussaoui, Budiman has not co-operated.

Khan and Azmath, both Indians, were arrested on a train on September 11 after their aircraft was grounded. They were carrying knives like the ones used in the hijacks, more than £3,400 in cash and hair dye.

Both men had shaved their bodies, the normal practice of Islamic suicide terrorists preparing for entry to paradise and both were extremely nervous when approached by police.

Al-Marabh, a Kuwaiti, was a taxi driver in Boston, where two of the planes were hijacked. The FBI says he has close links to Raed Hijazi, a known associate of bin Laden, who is in prison in Jordan on bomb conspiracy charges.

Moussaoui, a French-Moroccan named as a terrorist suspect by authorities in Paris, attracted attention when he tried to get time on a commercial airliner flight simulator despite not having a light aircraft pilot's licence.

The silence of these men has frustrated the FBI and the White House so much that the bureau has subtly persuaded the American media, with a series of leaked stories, to begin a debate about the morality of torturing suspects in such grave investigations.

But with or without truth drugs or beatings, it seems certain that the breakthrough in the investigation will come in Germany, Spain or some other foreign country.

And whether or not the FBI has interrupted other planned terrorist attacks, we will never know for sure.

One result of the attacks was a revolution in attitudes to airport security. Before September 11, Britons were always stunned by the relaxed attitude Americans had to security regulations at airports.

Now, President Bush has reluctantly nationalised security staff at American airports and passengers endure long queues and invasive spot checks.


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1 posted on 11/23/2001 5:25:07 PM PST by Pokey78
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To: Pokey78
These slimeball scumbags hide within and take refuge in and are harbored in communities of their peers. The only way the USA can protect itself from these people and their future plans (suitcase nukes, smallpox, whatever) is to deport the entire community. To even suggest that now --- on the floor of the Senate, for example --- would invoke an instant howl from a large minority of the USA. I predict, however, that such howling will grow more muted --- and that minority will shrink --- as the attacks continue and their severity increases. Would that we could do the rational thing without having to sit idly by waiting for the next attack.
2 posted on 11/23/2001 5:47:38 PM PST by samtheman
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Noone in there, has the fortitude to both suggest and stand by such measures.
3 posted on 11/23/2001 5:55:39 PM PST by Freedom of Speech Wins
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To: Pokey78
Maybe the FBI should arrange the 'attempted' escape of 5-6 of these guys.
4 posted on 11/23/2001 5:56:08 PM PST by blam
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To: Pokey78
I can only conclude from this that the internationalist, NWO forces in government and law enforcement will only use this to promote greater co-operation and ties among national and international law enforcement agencies worldwide. Sept. 11 made the world a much smaller and more tight knit place, much to my shagrin.
7 posted on 11/23/2001 6:17:55 PM PST by america76
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To: Freedom of Speech Wins
Noone in there [congress], has the fortitude to both suggest and stand by such measures.

Shame on us for electing them to office.

8 posted on 11/23/2001 6:50:00 PM PST by samtheman
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To: Pokey78
Today, 74 days and almost six million man-hours into the largest criminal investigation in the nation's history, the FBI cannot even prove that a terrorist conspiracy took place on American soil on September 11.

I don't know about Ben Fenton and the UK Telegraph, but 4 planes hijacked simultaneously by 19 guys is enough to prove that a conspiracy existed to me. This is a really dimbulb statement! And yes, I'm more than willing to deport all male Muslim Middle Eastern non-citizens at this point - and to keep a close eye on all recently naturalized citizens with similar backgrounds.

9 posted on 11/23/2001 7:02:25 PM PST by FreedomPoster
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it would seem the fbi could not find their way out of a ten foot section of pipe that they could stand up in.
10 posted on 11/23/2001 7:20:21 PM PST by IRtorqued
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To: nomasmojarras
Uh huh. If Bin Laden was still half as dangerous as some people are making him out to be, and if only .01% of those Arab here in the US are terrorists then there would've been another attack.
12 posted on 11/23/2001 8:49:12 PM PST by ChicagoRepublican
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To: IRtorqued
Hell, 3 years later, 4000 gmen still can't find Rudolph hiding out right here in North Carolina. The long list of FBI unsolved mysteries stretches from each corner of the nation. Most of the solved cases they take credit for were closed or "captured" by others. Anyone expecting the FBI to solve anything bigger than a bank robbery watches too much Hollywood.
13 posted on 11/23/2001 8:53:40 PM PST by XGMan
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To: Pokey78
The silence of these men has frustrated the FBI and the White House so much that the bureau has subtly persuaded the American media, with a series of leaked stories, to begin a debate about the morality of torturing suspects in such grave investigations.

Yeah right. The government is responsible for what Dershowitz says. These guys make the NY Times look good!

14 posted on 11/23/2001 11:38:45 PM PST by N00dleN0gg1n
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To: america76
"...the internationalist, NWO forces in government and law enforcement will only use this to promote greater co-operation and ties among national and international law enforcement agencies worldwide."

Regardless of who or what is responsible, I gather you believe this would be a bad thing. Why?

17 posted on 11/24/2001 12:11:23 PM PST by okie01
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I don't necessarilly see a little co-operation as such a bad thing, if we could just leave it on an as needed basis. The problem is, the officially binding entanglements and harmonization of laws that will ultimately result in taking such a course.

I don't particularilly welcome the opportunity of other nations to have a hand in writing our laws for us. The world's laws are not going to be brought in line with America's laws; America's laws are more likely to suffer corruption and degredation in the act of being harmonized with the statutes of the rest of the world. This is particularilly distressing to me when I consider the further dammage that would be done to our already shaky second amendment.

I see no need to make any official or binding treaties in this area. A general proclaimitation of the various nation's willingness to co-operate on matters of international law enforcement would surfice. However, I forsee the other option as a greater possibility.

18 posted on 11/24/2001 6:41:00 PM PST by america76
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"I see no need to make any official or binding treaties in this area."

You object to extradition treaties?

If police forces didn't cooperate and countries didn't respect each other's laws, the world would be a very dangerous place. Like living on the frontier, with outlaw territory a plane ride away...

Methinks, in your haste to resist the abstraction that is "globalization", you are prepared to cast out the baby with the bath water.

19 posted on 11/24/2001 7:59:40 PM PST by okie01
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Who says we need extradition treaties? Got a criminal, hand him over, simple as that. Any nation that does not abide by this simple principle doesn't have an extradition treaty with us anyway.
20 posted on 11/24/2001 8:48:45 PM PST by america76
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