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The FReeper Foxhole Remembers "Kilroy" - August 22nd, 2004
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Posted on 08/21/2004 11:18:48 PM PDT by snippy_about_it



Lord,

Keep our Troops forever in Your care

Give them victory over the enemy...

Grant them a safe and swift return...

Bless those who mourn the lost.
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FReepers from the Foxhole join in prayer
for all those serving their country at this time.



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Kilroy Was Here




Kilroy Was Everywhere


During the World War II, the phrase 'Kilroy was here' began to appear wherever US troops were. It was often accompanied with the image of a face with a long nose and two big round eyes with small dot eyeballs peeking over a wall or a line representing a wall. Everything else, except sometimes his fingers gripping the top of the wall, was hidden behind the wall itself.

Kilroy is a familiar image, whose origin is something of a mystery. In 1946, the American Transit Association had a radio programme called Speak to America. This programme sponsored a nationwide contest in an attempt to solve the mystery behind the origins of the mystical Kilroy. Speak to America found James J Kilroy of Massachusetts as a result of their search. That James J Kilroy was the originator of 'Kilroy was here' is currently the most commonly believed explanation for the phenomenon.



James J Kilroy was a ship inspector at the Fore River Shipyard in Quincy, Massachusetts, USA. It was his responsibility to check on how many holes a riveter had filled in a shift on any given day. In order to prevent double counting by dishonest riveters and to prove to his supervisors that he'd been doing his work, he began marking 'Kilroy was here' inside the hulls of the ships being built. He used yellow crayon so it would be easily visible; this way the off-shift inspectors wouldn't count the rivets more than once and pay the riveter for work he hadn't done.

Once the ship became operative, carrying military troops that were headed overseas and bound for the war, the phrase was a complete mystery. Why it was there and being found in such out of the way places made it all the more mysterious. All they could be certain of was that Kilroy, whoever he was, had 'been there first'. As a joke, troops began placing the graffiti wherever the US forces landed and claimed it had already been there when they'd arrived.

Whoever originated it, Kilroy quickly became the United States super GI who had always already been wherever men were sent by the military. The game quickly became a challenge to put the picture and slogan in the most unlikely places imaginable first.


From the Atterbury-Bakalar Air Museum, Columbus, Indiana. "The ubiquitous Kilroy, his long pathetic nose hanging over the wall with the two peering eyes above it, always the spectator, never inside. 'Kilroy was here.' It was marked on the standing walls of ruined buildings, on latrine walls and other places from Seattle to Miami and from Italy to Australia. No one ever knew who started it. Everybody understood it. If something bad had happened, Kilroy was responsible. If something good had happened, Kilroy had been outside looking in." - James Jones


According to author Charles Panati, it's supposed to be atop Mount Everest, on the torch of the Statue of Liberty, on the underside of the Arc de Triomphe in Paris, on the Marco Polo Bridge in China, on huts in Polynesia, on a girder on the George Washington Bridge in New York and scrawled in the dust on the moon. Panati also wrote that an outhouse was built, during the Potsdam Conference in July of 1945, for use exclusively by Roosevelt, Stalin and Churchill. The first of the three to utilize the facility was Stalin. Upon emerging he inquired of his nearby aide, 'Who is Kilroy?' This was supposedly overheard by a translator and is where the story comes from.

Kilroy and Hitler - The Rumour

Near the end of World War II, Adolf Hitler was absolutely and completely paranoid regarding one insurgent in particular. This individual seemed able to get into everything and anything that was thought to be secure in Nazi, Germany. He (Hitler) ordered his best men to begin actively searching for this super-spy and all troops were commanded to shoot and kill this menace.

The 'spy' Hitler was looking for was none other than Kilroy! GIs in occupied territory and spies in the German Army were vandalizing Nazi bases and equipment with the Kilroy logo and its well-known slogan. It wasn't intended as anything more than graffiti and a prank, but by the final year of Hitler's reign, he was convinced Kilroy could penetrate into any secure area and feared for his own safety thinking Kilroy was certain to kill him.

Origins

Oddly enough, as widespread as the Kilroy phenomenon was there is no concrete evidence to verify either when or where it began, nor who began it in each country (USA, England and Canada). In England, the Kilroy logo was known as Chad and his slogan consisted of 'Wot no...?' The blank was usually filled in with whatever there was a shortage of or whatever was being rationed at the time. The Oxford English Dictionary states that Chad's origin is obscure, but that British Cartoonist George Edward Chatterton may have created it. Though the James J Kilroy story seems to be the most likely point of origin for the 'Kilroy was here' legend, there is possible evidence of occurrences of the Kilroy logo much earlier than World War II.



Though Chad was popular in England, just as Kilroy was in the US military, still nobody (other than James J Kilroy) has stepped forward to claim him as their own invention, even though there were 26 men named Kilroy in the military during WW2. There was also a Canadian version known as Clem and in the late 1960s there was a version in Los Angeles, California that went by the name of Overby. Perhaps the theory of Kilroy being an unknown super soldier wasn't so far off after all...




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Remembering Kilroy at the WWII Memorial



Editors Note: Those of you who contributed to the building of the WWII Memorial through KilroyWasHere.org with recall that the printable form had a check box where you could ask that Kilroy be remembered at the WWII Memorial. They promised that he would be! Here is a letter from the first person to spot him! Our thanks to Paul.

Paul Karlin wrote:

We just visited the new World War II memorial in Washington DC. In a hidden area in back, quite professionally engraved into the stone, was a "Kilroy was here" - we didn't know the origin or background until we found this website.



In this photo I'm standing near 17th Street looking west, and the Washington Monument is behind me. The yellow arrow is pointing at Kilroy's location. Kilroy is on the outer edge of the WWII memorial, outside the ring of columns. The easiest way to find him is to exit the memorial from the tower marked "Pacific" (south side), turn right, and follow the narrow outer walkway along the columns. Just after the columns end there is a small service area, and Kilroy will be right in front of you. For reference, if you continue north along the walkway, you'll walk between the wall of gold stars and the reflecting pool for the Lincoln Memorial.

Thanks!
Paul




Kilroy explained on video by Ermy!





Today's Educational Sources and suggestions for further reading:

www.bbc.co.uk/dna/h2g2/A508277
www.hurtgen1944.homestead.com/09HurtgenToday.html
www.kilroywashere.org/001-Pages/01-0KilroySightings-3.html#KilroyWWIIMem
1 posted on 08/21/2004 11:18:49 PM PDT by snippy_about_it
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This is a reproduction of a picture on a glider of the British First Airborne Division before they left for Operation Market Garden in September 1944.



Kilroy in Italy WWII



Kilroy in Hurtgen, Germany


one of the WW II era's most popular comic figurines: a pregnant girl standing on a pedestal bearing the legend "Kilroy Was Here."



Kilroy as a hatpin in Vietnam





Kilroy on Cannon in Kuwait, 1991


Close-up of Kilroy on Cannon in Kuwait, 1991




Dear Editor,

I found Kilroy, He is alive and well and apparently in Iraq. I found him on the side of an old Iraqi aircraft hangar in Al Taqaddum Airbase in Iraq. Al Taqaddum is situated about seven miles from Fallujah and 35 miles west of Baghdad. He's been there ever since we showed up. No one knows how he got there either. They all say they always remember Kilroy being on the side of the hangar.

Capt. Martin Starta
United States Marine Corps


2 posted on 08/21/2004 11:23:40 PM PDT by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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Kilroy from AlCan to Utah Beach

These wonderful drawings were found in an old WWII scrap book left by the commanding officer of the 145th Engineer Combat Battalion. They were drawn by an unknown member. They are real Kilroys in various poses as they fought their way across France and Germany. They were saved by Col. John French McGaughey and compiled by Andy Miller


Col. John French McGaughey



























3 posted on 08/21/2004 11:24:24 PM PDT by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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4 posted on 08/21/2004 11:25:55 PM PDT by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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To: snippy_about_it
Great thread, Snippy


5 posted on 08/21/2004 11:27:20 PM PDT by SAMWolf (Married men live longer than single men, but married men are a lot more willing to go..)
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To: SAMWolf

He really is everywhere. Goodnight Sam.


6 posted on 08/21/2004 11:33:46 PM PDT by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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To: snippy_about_it
Good Night Snippy


7 posted on 08/21/2004 11:38:54 PM PDT by SAMWolf (Married men live longer than single men, but married men are a lot more willing to go..)
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To: snippy_about_it

Well now I will have to say "wot no barf alert" instead of spelling it correctly.

God bless Kilroy, Chad (he caused some problems in Floriduh, though) and Clem, and all who keep us safe in our beds.

Snippy, your name reminds me of my dad, he always said we shouldn't get *you*! He was in the Pacific in WWII and, it's three AM, I've had enough beers, I can say it, he was a saint! He would have really loved the internet, and I think he would have really loved FR. So many smart (and crazy) people here.


8 posted on 08/21/2004 11:56:13 PM PDT by jocon307 (That's allowed, as long as we all vote for W.)
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To: snippy_about_it

See tagline


9 posted on 08/22/2004 12:11:32 AM PDT by martin_fierro (____oooo_(_^_L_^_)_oooo_____)
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To: snippy_about_it

Good morning Snippy.


10 posted on 08/22/2004 2:35:45 AM PDT by Aeronaut (A “sensitive war” will not destroy the evil men who killed 3,000 Americans.)
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Good morning, snippy and everyone at the Freeper Foxhole.


11 posted on 08/22/2004 3:00:32 AM PDT by E.G.C.
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To: snippy_about_it

Kilroy: The precursor to Tourist Guy.


12 posted on 08/22/2004 3:25:01 AM PDT by snopercod ("If you wait, all that happens is that you get older." -- Mario Andretti)
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To: SAMWolf
Good morning, Sam. Thanks for a light-hearted trip down memory lane. We used to think "Kilroy" had to be added to everything (ex. test papers, notes, etc.) when I was a kid. Have kind of forgotten him the past few years.
13 posted on 08/22/2004 3:33:50 AM PDT by Humal
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To: snippy_about_it; SAMWolf; bentfeather; Darksheare; Johnny Gage; Light Speed; Samwise; ...
Good morning y'all!

To all our military men and women, past and present, and to our allies who stand with us,
THANK YOU!


14 posted on 08/22/2004 4:11:17 AM PDT by radu (May God watch over our troops and keep them safe)
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To: snippy_about_it; SAMWolf

Know we know were MOJO Nixon got his inspiration for his hit song. Well it is a hit song if you listen to Dr. Demento :-)

Wot Regards

alfa 6 ;>}

PS SUNDAY MORNNIN FOXHOLE BUMPPPPPpppppp


15 posted on 08/22/2004 5:24:05 AM PDT by alfa6 (60 folders down, 270+ to go)
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August 22, 2004

The Humanity Of Jesus

Read: Hebrews 2:9-18

We do not have a High Priest who cannot sympathize with our weaknesses. —Hebrews 4:15

Bible In One Year: Psalms 110-112; 1 Corinthians 5


I once overheard this comment about a person who was always critical: "The trouble with him is that he's forgotten what it's like to be human!" How easily we forget our past struggles and become unsympathetic toward those who are struggling today. But there's one who hasn't forgotten what it's like to be human—Jesus.

In Hebrews 2:9-18, we "see" Jesus' humanity more fully. As a man, He was able by God's grace to experience death in our place. And during His earthly life Jesus was made perfect through His sufferings (v.10). But there's more. "Both [Jesus] who sanctifies and [we] who are being sanctified are all of one." Because of this oneness, Jesus is not ashamed to call us brothers and sisters (v.11).

In a body like ours, Jesus lived, worked, and overcame every obstacle, so He knows what it's like to be one of us. Having passed through all these experiences without sinning, He then went to heaven and is now our approachable High Priest at the throne of grace (vv.17-18; 4:14-16).

We all need someone who knows what it's like to be human yet has limitless power to help us overcome our human weaknesses. Jesus is that one. He longs to hear us speak His name and ask for His help. —Joanie Yoder

God lived as man, as one of us,
And understands our need for grace;
He is not distant nor detached
From all the trials that we face. —Sper

No one understands like Jesus.

16 posted on 08/22/2004 6:06:16 AM PDT by The Mayor (God gives grace for this life and glory in the life to come.)
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To: SAMWolf; snippy_about_it; radu; Professional Engineer; PhilDragoo; Samwise; Matthew Paul; All

Good Sunday morning everyone.

17 posted on 08/22/2004 6:10:55 AM PDT by Soaring Feather
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To: jocon307
Morning jocon307

"wot no barf alert"

LOL!

I thank your dad for his service.

18 posted on 08/22/2004 6:26:23 AM PDT by SAMWolf (Married men live longer than single men, but married men are a lot more willing to go..)
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To: martin_fierro

Morning.

Nice job on the tagline. :-)


19 posted on 08/22/2004 6:26:58 AM PDT by SAMWolf (Married men live longer than single men, but married men are a lot more willing to go..)
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To: Aeronaut

Morning Aeronaut


20 posted on 08/22/2004 6:27:25 AM PDT by SAMWolf (Married men live longer than single men, but married men are a lot more willing to go..)
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