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An Unhappy Ending To The Drug War?
The American Interest ^ | July 11, 2011 | Walter Russell Mead

Posted on 07/11/2011 4:48:05 PM PDT by Clintonfatigued

The Drug War, with an impact stretching far beyond the inner cities, is one of America’s worst policies. It costs billions we don’t have; it promotes the growth of transnational criminal gangs and supports large black markets in money and arms that terrorists as well as drug lords can use; if fills the prisons and it hasn’t stopped either the use of existing illegal drugs or the development of new ones. Furthermore, as a Cato Institute paper estimates that legalizing and taxing drugs would yield more than $80 billion a year in savings and new revenue. (Something tells me that even the hardiest Tea Partiers might see their way to a hefty excise tax on heroin and cocaine.)

What we are doing now isn’t working. My old CFR colleague and Coast Guard official Steve Flynn used to say that if terrorists wanted to smuggle a nuclear warhead into the United States their best bet would be to hide it in a shipment of cocaine. Since our interdiction rate is so low, the bomb would have an excellent chance of getting through.

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To: ansel12
Excess is bad, eating kills countless Americans

At present it is estimated that marijuana's LD-50 is around 1:20,000 or 1:40,000. In layman terms this means that in order to induce death a marijuana smoker would have to consume 20,000 to 40,000 times as much marijuana as is contained in one marijuana cigarette. NIDA-supplied marijuana cigarettes weigh approximately .9 grams. A smoker would theoretically have to consume nearly 1,500 pounds of marijuana within about fifteen minutes to induce a lethal response.

In practical terms, marijuana cannot induce a lethal response as a result of drug-related toxicity.

21 posted on 07/11/2011 5:43:05 PM PDT by KDD (When the government boot is on your neck, it matters not whether it is the right boot or the left.)
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To: Shadow44
Simply decriminalizing drugs or DEA funding isn’t going to solve a serious and complex social problem

Exactly. I would rather treat drug users than imprison them but the simple fact is that most are on their way to jail in the first place.

Back when I smoked pot I was arrested once and was fined and put on probation for 6 months. I never once saw anyone go to jail for possession alone. I even know of a guy arrested with manufacturing marijuana for sale (Police said a street value of $100,000). Since he was otherwise clean he didn't go to prison but he did get a 10 year suspended sentence, probation and big fines.
22 posted on 07/11/2011 5:43:20 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: cripplecreek

(1980-2009 - Total, marijuana and drug arrests by year) Although the intent of a ‘War on Drugs’ may have been to target drug smugglers and ‘King Pins,’ over half (51.6%) of the 1,663,582 total 2009 arrests for drug abuse violations were for marijuana — a calculated total of 858,408. Of those, an estimated 758,593 people (45.6%) were arrested for marijuana possession alone. By contrast in 2000, a total of 734,497 Americans were arrested for marijuana offenses, of which 646,042 were for possession alone.

http://www.drugwarfacts.org/cms/Marijuana#Share


23 posted on 07/11/2011 5:50:52 PM PDT by KDD (When the government boot is on your neck, it matters not whether it is the right boot or the left.)
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To: KDD

Push your robot creating drugs to someone else, the danger of pot isn’t that it has been killing Arabs for thousands of years, it is that it has destroyed them as a people, that applies to the other Cannabis based peoples in the pot part of the world.

When teens start using pot, you can tell because the pot pod goes off, and he suddenly becomes just like the other pothead kids.


24 posted on 07/11/2011 5:51:15 PM PDT by ansel12 (America has close to India population of 1950s, India has 1,200,000,000 people now. Quality of Life?)
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To: GeronL
The extent of your stupidity is amazing. Rape, murder and other crimes that cause harm to people from other people are in no way comparable to drug, cigs or alcohol use that harms only the person using them. If I were to use an addictive drug I would not be doing harm to others, killing, raping or beating on someone does do harm to others.

The fact that your brain is so twisted by the desire to control what other people put in their bodies is an indication of a serious mental illness, closely related to liberalism, and in fact is one of the symptoms of liberalism. You don't want to have drugs illegal because they harm people, you want them to be illegal because you believe them to be morally wrong.

legalizing drugs would cure a lot of murders and rapes and especially armed robberies, this is plain for anyone who has an IQ over 20 but you, and other moralizing idiots on fR, refuse to believe it or to see the harm the war on drugs has done to our society.

25 posted on 07/11/2011 5:51:46 PM PDT by calex59
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To: calex59

Oh please. Legalize drugs is evidence of moral failure to the nth degree.


26 posted on 07/11/2011 6:00:08 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Happiness)
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To: ansel12

Just more of the same anecdotal drug warrior freedom fearing BS we are used to hearing. Keep your liberal nanny State ideas...and wait for your ox to be gored.

It took a Constitutional Amendment to outlaw booze.

Cannibus was outlawed by a liberal Supreme Court that used the same line of reasoning to permit abortion on demand. Are you so blind to the fact that the law of unintended consequences is so at play in this debate.


27 posted on 07/11/2011 6:03:31 PM PDT by KDD (When the government boot is on your neck, it matters not whether it is the right boot or the left.)
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To: GeronL

You are certainly not the arbiter of our national or personal code of morality...thank God.


28 posted on 07/11/2011 6:06:33 PM PDT by KDD (When the government boot is on your neck, it matters not whether it is the right boot or the left.)
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To: KDD

Remember to use brightly colored packaging to appeal to the youth market in your drug poisoning business.


29 posted on 07/11/2011 6:09:59 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Happiness)
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To: GeronL

Kiss my ass.


30 posted on 07/11/2011 6:11:43 PM PDT by KDD (When the government boot is on your neck, it matters not whether it is the right boot or the left.)
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To: KDD

Sorry pal, pushing dope and decadence is the left’s agenda, not the right’s.

The sixties wasn’t a conservative revolution.

Peace out, my stoner brother, don’t let the pigs bust your game man.


31 posted on 07/11/2011 6:12:27 PM PDT by ansel12 (America has close to India population of 1950s, India has 1,200,000,000 people now. Quality of Life?)
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To: ansel12
Your fear of the long dead “Hippy Movement” is humorous in a kind of retrograde way.
32 posted on 07/11/2011 6:23:47 PM PDT by KDD (When the government boot is on your neck, it matters not whether it is the right boot or the left.)
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Endorsement deals from Tony the Tiger! “KDD Brand Uppers: They’re great!!”

“Winnie the Pooh Bear recommends you try KDD’s Big Green World brownies to get some sleep tonight! It’s the cure for sleeplessness”


33 posted on 07/11/2011 6:29:09 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Happiness)
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To: ansel12


34 posted on 07/11/2011 6:29:37 PM PDT by KDD (When the government boot is on your neck, it matters not whether it is the right boot or the left.)
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To: KDD

You only show your ignorance with that analysis, you really, really, do not know me.


35 posted on 07/11/2011 6:37:17 PM PDT by ansel12 (America has close to India population of 1950s, India has 1,200,000,000 people now. Quality of Life?)
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To: ansel12

You imputed a “60’s liberal mindset” to me in your post above. If you want a high level of debate...then YOU keep the strictly personal insults out of it. After all, you really, really, do not know me.


36 posted on 07/11/2011 6:43:56 PM PDT by KDD (When the government boot is on your neck, it matters not whether it is the right boot or the left.)
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To: Clintonfatigued
The problem with the "drug war" is the fradulent claim of authority via the New Deal "substantial effects" Commerce Clause.

You can tell who doesn't give a rat's ass about that or the unintended consequences. They're the ones that will only talk about the drugs.

37 posted on 07/11/2011 6:53:50 PM PDT by tacticalogic
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To: KDD

I didn’t put a mindset on you, I pointed out that you support the left’s agenda, and you guys have made incredible gains in 50 years of destroying America, but you want more.

Pushing dope is a fundamental part of being liberal, let it all hang out baby.


38 posted on 07/11/2011 7:35:07 PM PDT by ansel12 (America has close to India population of 1950s, India has 1,200,000,000 people now. Quality of Life?)
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To: GeronL

Horse sh**. Drugs were legal in this country once and we had no more addicts per one hundred thousand then we do now. BTW, alcohol is a drug and the country hasn’t collapsed because it is legal. As I said, you are not concerned with people hurting themselves you are concerned that you won’t be able to control what other people do. You are a typical moralizing control freak. This country, and others, would have far less crime if drugs were legalized, any fool can see that except for fools like you.


39 posted on 07/11/2011 7:44:27 PM PDT by calex59
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To: calex59
would have far less crime if drugs were legalized

If we legalized all crime, then we would have no crimes at all.

40 posted on 07/11/2011 7:53:24 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Happiness)
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