[drstevej]

Actually, it all is done for your benefit.

[Corin Stormhands]

Is not.

[ahadams2]

while at times it does help me sharpen my arguments against those who over emphasize predestination (and at others it helps sharpen them against those who go to Arminian extremes) my primary joy in watching these arguments is in the fact that if they're arguing with each other, they're NOT arguing with me. And quite frankly the way things are going in the Western portions of the Anglican Communion these days, especially for us Conservatives, *not* being in an argument can be seen as something of a plus, from time to time.