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You and I seem to keep disagreeing on this one.

Yes but the truth is worth it.

Satan was powerless over Christ. Christ took his power, but our redemptions were not consumated until the second coming!

With this statement I disagree with your assumption that "our" redemptions were not consumated. It was they who looked for their personal parousia as Paul had taught them. You are repeating the very mistake you see others make regarding past fulfillment by mistakingly interpreting their travailing for the Lord's return. They were the bride and finding that which pertains to our generation requires from that which does not has caused many errors as you yourself is quite aware. Let us not continue in this method of error.

And it would not be until His second coming.

Sorry, I posted when I meant to preview.

And it would not be until His second coming.

With this statement I agree and would add that this coming was for them not us as you are well aware. Everything had been completed relating to the workings of the new covenant and all that remained was the personal parousia of the bride of Christ who witnessed the truth of the gospel to the world and the destruction and final judgement of the Jewish nation. This adds weight to my argument that the parousia and the 70AD destruction happened simultaneously. Thank you and God bless you and yours.

Are you saying that only THEY recieved the clothing of life and we do not until we die?

I do not believe that is possible.

Joh 5:24 - Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears my word and believes him who sent me, has eternal life; he does not come into judgment, but has passed from death to life.

We both know that for them, even believing did not bring this about until His return and 2 Cor 5:4 happened.

But isn't this something we recieve instantly at the point of belief?

John 11:24 Martha said to him, "I know that he will rise again in the resurrection at the last day." 11:25 Jesus said to her, "I am the resurrection and the life; he who believes in me, though he die, yet shall he live, 11:26 and whoever lives and believes in me shall never die. Do you believe this?"

Again, for them this was not reality until AD 70.

But isn't it reality for us at the point of belief?

That was the point of the New Covenant consumation!! Now we do not have to wait as Paul and them did for our "mortal to be further clothed with life." (2 Cor 5:4)
We HAVE attained the promise of this New Covenant.

This is why even though the "parousia" was for them, it brought in "everlasting righteousness" (Daniel 9:24) for all, forever (Eph 3:21).