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To: vmatt
Note that through Christ's death, an event in Paul's past was the act that destroyed the power of death and the devil.

2 Timothy 1:10 But is now made manifest by the appearing of our Saviour Jesus Christ, who hath abolished death, and hath brought life and immortality to light through the gospel:


You and I seem to keep disagreeing on this one. Satan was powerless over Christ. Christ took his power, but our redemptions were not consumated until the second coming!

Heb 9:28 so Christ, having been offered once to bear the sins of many, will appear a second time, not to deal with sin but to save those who are eagerly waiting for him.
1 Cor 15:26 The last enemy to be destroyed is death. 27 "For God has put all things in subjection under his feet." But when it says, "All things are put in subjection under him," it is plain that he is excepted who put all things under him. 28 When all things are subjected to him, then the Son himself will also be subjected to him who put all things under him, that God may be everything to every one.
Hebrews 2:8 putting everything in subjection under his feet." Now in putting everything in subjection to him, he left nothing outside his control. As it is, we do not yet see everything in subjection to him.


And it would not be until His second coming.
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15:51 Lo! I tell you a mystery. We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, 15:52 in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised imperishable, and we shall be changed. 15:53 For this perishable nature must put on the imperishable, and this mortal nature must put on immortality. 15:54 When the perishable puts on the imperishable, and the mortal puts on immortality, then shall come to pass the saying that is written: "Death is swallowed up in victory." 15:55 "O death, where is thy victory? O death, where is thy sting?" 15:56 The sting of death is sin, and the power of sin is the law. 15:57 But thanks be to God, who gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.

And they would have this victory when the resurrection of the saints and this "rapture" happens [happened].
8 posted on 04/09/2002 8:43:07 AM PDT by nate4one
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To: nate4one
You and I seem to keep disagreeing on this one.

Yes but the truth is worth it.

Satan was powerless over Christ. Christ took his power, but our redemptions were not consumated until the second coming!

With this statement I disagree with your assumption that "our" redemptions were not consumated. It was they who looked for their personal parousia as Paul had taught them. You are repeating the very mistake you see others make regarding past fulfillment by mistakingly interpreting their travailing for the Lord's return. They were the bride and finding that which pertains to our generation requires from that which does not has caused many errors as you yourself is quite aware. Let us not continue in this method of error.

And it would not be until His second coming.

9 posted on 04/09/2002 10:11:50 AM PDT by vmatt
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