Posted on 03/17/2024 5:53:12 PM PDT by grumpa
HERE’S HOW FUTURISTS TWIST THE WORDS OF JESUS AND THE BIBLICAL WRITERS
“This generation” (Mt. 11:16; 12:39; 16:4; 17:17; 23:36; 24:34) REALLY MEANT some other future generation.
“In a very, very little while” (Heb. 10:37) REALLY MEANT thousands of years later.
“The end is at hand” (1 Pet. 4:7) REALLY MEANT it was not at hand at all, but rather far distant.
“The time was short” (1 Cor. 7:29) REALLY MEANT the time was a long time off.
“It is the last hour” (1 John 2:18) REALLY MEANT millions of hours later.
Judgment to occur at Jesus’ return in his kingdom “before some standing here taste death” (Mt. 16:27-28) REALLY MEANT a time like Pentecost or the Ascension when there would be no judgment.
“Must shortly take place” (Rev. 1:1; 22:6) REALLY MEANT it would NOT take place shortly.
“The time is near” (Rev. 1:3; 22:10) REALLY MEANT the time was far away.
“Soon” (Phil. 2:19; Rev. 22:12, 20) REALLY MEANT not soon at all.
“My kingdom is not of this world” (Lk. 17:20; Jn. 18:36) REALLY MEANT Jesus’ kingdom will be a literal millennial kingdom IN THE WORLD.
Paul said the gospel “has been proclaimed to the whole world” (Rom. 1:8; 10:18; 16:25-27; Col. 1:6; 23), but that couldn’t have REALLY MEANT the fulfillment of Jesus’ prophecy in Matthew 24:14 about the gospel being preached to the “whole world.”
The “kingdom will be taken from you [the Jews] and given to a people producing its fruits” (Mt. 21:43) REALLY MEANT the kingdom belonged to the Jews forever.
“May no fruit ever come from you again [the fig tree = Old Covenant Israel]” (Mt. 21:19) REALLY MEANT some day Israel will bear fruit again.
Jerusalem and temple to be “destroyed” (Dan. 9:26; Zech. 14:11) and Jesus replacing the temple as the focus of our faith (Jn. 2:19; Rev. 21:22) REALLY MEANT a third temple will be built.
Speaking of twisting Scripture - nothing like a Preterist to call the pot and kettle black. LOL.
2 Peter 3:8
But, beloved, do not forget this one thing, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day
Revelation 13:11-17
11 Then I saw a second beast, coming out of the earth. It had two horns like a lamb, but it spoke like a dragon.
12 It exercised all the authority of the first beast on its behalf, and made the earth and its inhabitants worship the first beast, whose fatal wound had been healed.
13 And it performed great signs, even causing fire to come down from heaven to the earth in full view of the people.
14 Because of the signs it was given power to perform on behalf of the first beast, it deceived the inhabitants of the earth. It ordered them to set up an image in honor of the beast who was wounded by the sword and yet lived.
15 The second beast was given power to give breath to the image of the first beast, so that the image could speak and cause all who refused to worship the image to be killed.
16 It also forced all people, great and small, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hands or on their foreheads,
17 so that they could not buy or sell unless they had the mark, which is the name of the beast or the number of its name.
WHO WAS THE A/C?
WHEN DID HE IMPLIMENT HIS MARK?
HOW DID HE FORCE CHINESE & MAYANS TO DO IT IN 70AD?
The Word says “ALL”.
Don’t twist Scripture “grumpa”...
DAY AS A THOUSAND YEARS. This passage cannot have a literal meaning, otherwise it would be nonsense. Thus, it cannot mean that a short time really means a long time. Jesus was in the tomb three days. Does that mean he was in the tomb three thousand years, and his resurrection is still a thousand years off? Does that mean that a thousand years of Revelation 20 could mean a single day? Good grief, can God tell time? In this passage, Peter was speaking about God’s time, not human time. One cryptic passage does not negate all the dozens of easy-to-understand time statements in the New Testament. But let’s take a closer look.
The context of this statement in 2 Peter 3 is that the scoffers were reminding Peter that Jesus had promised to return in judgment in their generation, but now, about three decades later it had not yet happened. So, Peter scolds the scoffers and advised them that “The Lord is not slow to fulfill his promise” as they themselves were “waiting for the hastening day of the Lord” (2 Peter 3:12). So, Peter, writing in the early 60’s AD was issuing a strong warning about the soon coming destruction in AD 66-70 when Jerusalem was leveled by the Romans, the temple destroyed, and the system of temple ordinances ceased forever as the Old Covenant order was abolished. So, rather than arguing that the Fall of Jerusalem was a long time off, Peter was arguing that it would happen soon. And he was correct.
For more details about 2 Peter 3, see the article here:
https://prophecyquestions.com/2-peter-3-and-planet-destruction
My personal understanding of scripture is the voice of God echoes throughout.
I believe this generation is a reference to the generation that will witness the Second Coming.
CHrist described that generation and then he said that it will be this generation that witnesses it.
This Generation
To what time-period does the phrase “this generation” in the New Testament refer? It is used in the Olivet Discourse (Matthew 24:34, Mark 13:30, Luke 21:32) in reference to the fulfillment of end times prophecies. A straight-forward reading of the text indicates that these prophecies would be fulfilled while some hearing Jesus’ words in the first century were still alive.
To confirm that it refers to the first century contemporaries of Jesus we need only to look at the other times the phrase is used in the New Testament. Without doubt, it ALWAYS refers to those living in the first century. No other conclusion is possible without doing violence to the text. Here are all the times the phrase is used outside of the Olivet Discourse. Look up these passages for yourself:
Matthew 11:16-24; 12:38-45; 16:4; 17:17; 23:35-36; Mark 8:12; 8:38-9:1; 9:19, and Luke 7:31; 9:41; 11:29-32, 49-51; 17:25; Acts 2:40.
The certain conclusion is that the “end times” is not about the end of the physical universe, not about the end of the Christian age, and not about anything in our future. It is about the end of the Old Covenant age, which ended with the fall of Jerusalem and destruction of the temple in AD 70 in the generation of Jesus’ contemporaries.
For more on this, see my article entitled “When Was the Olivet Discourse Fulfilled?” here: https://prophecyquestions.com/when-was-the-olivet-discourse-fulfilled
See also, “What Is a Biblical Generation?” here:
https://prophecyquestions.com/what-is-a-biblical-generation
” This passage cannot have a literal meaning, otherwise it would be nonsense”
Nice copy and paste response from your “handbook”.
You just called The Bible “NONSENSE”.
If this is the level of intellect you and your camp are going to stoop to in order to justify your stance, then I’ll let you guys take hits from others.
Apparently the jokes write themselves.
That’s what I understand too.
Actually, your personal opinion doesn’t count for much. It’s how the original audience would have understood a passage.
I think I’m in good company for my understanding.
https://www.gotquestions.org/this-generation-not-pass.html
The Got Questions website is dispensational, so is forced to try to make things fit that view.
You and Roman_War_Criminal should have a debate. I think you are closer to the truth because like many, he fears being left behind from the Rapture Plane. Hal Lindsey made at least 20 million off of it.
oh, look
another bash post.
how do you know how everyone understood it ?
were you there ?
your narcasim , arrogance and haughtiness are disgusting.
Thanks. I actually have an article about Hal Lindsey, which I posted here last week. It’s a bit long for a comment so here’s the link:
https://prophecyquestions.com/where-hal-lindsey-went-wrong/
I think the passage is pretty clear. I don’t think a person needs to become fluent in the ancient languages to understand what is written.
“And there will be signs in sun and moon and stars, and on the earth distress of nations in perplexity because of the roaring of the sea and the waves, people fainting with fear and with foreboding of what is coming on the world. For the powers of the heavens will be shaken. And then they will see the Son of Man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. Now when these things begin to take place, straighten up and raise your heads, because your redemption is drawing near.”
And he told them a parable: “Look at the fig tree, and all the trees. As soon as they come out in leaf, you see for yourselves and know that the summer is already near. So also, when you see these things taking place, you know that the kingdom of God is near. Truly, I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all has taken place. Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will not pass away.
You should courtesy others when mentioning them in a thread - I’ll add the Moderator to this post since you broke the rules.
If Grumpa wants to continue to pretend that the Roman Empire had the AI Technology to MARK everybody in Asia, North and South America and across the rest of the world - that’s his right. Some men think they are women these days too.
You on the other hand project way too much about me.
Fact of the matter is that most of the world has no clue what The Bible says about Prophecy - that includes what passes for “Churches” and “Pastors” (bootleg) these days.
If folks would read their Bibles, and believe it - things would be a bit different.
I’ll chalk you up as just another scoffer following his own lusts & ignoring Prophecy and The Bible though - thanks for playing 😉
There are dozens of verses attributing “our days” to the “last days”. Read your Bible!
2 Peter 3:3
Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,
Hebrews 1:2
But in these last days He has spoken to us by His Son, whom He appointed heir of all things, and through whom He made the universe.
Jude 1:18
when they said to you, “In the last times there will be scoffers who will follow after their own ungodly desires.”
cuz ya act like it.
ever come up with a way to weasel these 2 verses Daniel 7:21 and Matthew 16:18 into applying the same group of people. ? gonna run away from the question that proves you wrong like a abject coward and false teacher , AGAIN ?
just
2
verses.
Notice how Preterists like Grumpa never ever ever answer the question about how the Mark was implemented in Revelation 13 back in 70 AD.
Nor who was the A/C to do it.
Nor how they managed to do it across the entire planet.
The Word says “ALL”.
Nevermind also how “all” will see the Two Witnesses dead in Jerusaelm. How is that possible without modern technology?
Preterism is such a juvenile philosophy totally void of facts.
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