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Man of Sin, Son of Destruction
PatriotandLiberty ^ | 11/22 | Tom Nettles

Posted on 12/04/2023 1:34:18 AM PST by spirited irish

Having recognized their susceptibility to error in this matter, Paul gives this beloved church a written account of the teachings he had given while with them in person. He isolated a peculiarly egregious opponent of the gospel to expand the general statements of 1:6-9. The “man of lawlessness” also is a “son of destruction.” This means that as an entity thoroughly given over to lawlessness he is doomed from the beginning, he embodies all the elements that God will judge and to which he will bring “the penalty of eternal destruction” (1:9) when he comes to be “glorified in his saints on that day” (1:10).

What is the environment in which this will happen? The “apostasy” must come first.

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TOPICS: Theology
KEYWORDS: evil; lawless

1 posted on 12/04/2023 1:34:18 AM PST by spirited irish
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To: sphinx; Jonty30; grcuster; Nervous Tick; reviled downesdad; sauropod; metmom; ViLaLuz; ...

ping


2 posted on 12/04/2023 1:37:16 AM PST by spirited irish ( )
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To: spirited irish

Be not deceived. 🙏


3 posted on 12/04/2023 2:04:28 AM PST by FES0844
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To: All

Well, let me see, an evil deceptive man in power for three and a half years, requires all to take his mark to travel or do business, and has powerful associates who help him to deceive ... now who could that possibly be?

I don’t believe it’s some future tyrant, I believe we already see him in power today. Do I refer to Biden? Not really, who is actually in power? Biden is just that useful idiot helping out, by filling a seat. Yes, that guy.

When will the three and a half years be up? Soon. This is the tribulation, and it gets worse all the time. I do believe it could end at any time now, Biden was “elected” in Nov 2020, but the scene described in Rev 12-13 started with the lockdowns of earlier in 2020, dating from spring of 2020. You can’t put exact dates or times on the creation of this end time regime, but it is very close to being finished now. The end of days could be any day soon.


4 posted on 12/04/2023 2:50:40 AM PST by Peter ODonnell (Prayers up for Jim Robinson and family ... an island of sanity in a sea of madness. )
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To: Peter ODonnell

So many so fixated on obama, he is just a puppet as well who did as told and he had others doing all the work while he just “eloquently” spoke lulling people to believe the lies and baloney.
Bible says we aren’t to be concerned about the day nor wasting time wondering, just be busy about God’s work and sharing Gospel.


5 posted on 12/04/2023 3:06:25 AM PST by b4me
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To: b4me; Peter ODonnell

If we’re not to be concerned with when the end is near, Jesus and the apostles would not have given us so many signs by which we could recognize the time.

You might as well have said that people should not have been concerned about whether His first coming was near or not, too.


6 posted on 12/04/2023 6:31:43 AM PST by metmom (He who testifies to these things says, “Surely I am coming soon.” Amen. Come, Lord Jesus.)
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To: Peter ODonnell

We are certainly in the time of the end. The next event, the rapture, is imminent. People need to ensure they are right with God at this late hour.

Questions about the End Times (All)
https://www.gotquestions.org/questions_end-times.html


7 posted on 12/04/2023 6:53:36 AM PST by ViLaLuz (2 Chronicles 7:14)
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To: Peter ODonnell; FES0844
(This is the tribulation)

Not yet. The confirmation of the 7-year covenant kicks it off. God's Two Witnesses arrive and preach against the Beast and the world 🌎🌍.

For this reason, the Antichrist kills the Two Witnesses (Revelation 11).

3-1/2 years after that comes the abomination that causes desolation - the image built by the people of the Earth at the direction of the False Prophet.

Then comes Great Tribulation and the Mark of the Beast. The mask is off, Israel flees to Petra (the Remnant).

IMHO the Church is not here for that.

But there will be many, many Tribulation Saints that will refuse the Mark of the Beast and pay with their lives (Revelation 20:4).

And the “two-state solution” pipe-dream continues to be wished for.

When the 7 years of ‘Peace and Security’ are confirmed, it kicks off the whole thing.

Jared Kushner made significant progress but I do believe that man comes from Europe. The world 🌎🌍 will find out.

The world 🌎🌍 is also deep in apostasy already though; as we're seeing. Most every government body around the world 🌎🌍 are pushing reprobate agendas.

Hang in there. ✝️🙏🛐

8 posted on 12/04/2023 7:52:13 AM PST by SaveFerris (Luke 17:28 ... as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold ......)
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To: ViLaLuz
(for the thread)

Luke 21:34-36

New English Translation

Be Ready!

34 “But be on your guard[a] so that your hearts are not weighed down with dissipation and drunkenness and the worries of this life, and that day close down upon you suddenly like a trap.[b]

35 For[c] it will overtake[d] all who live on the face of the whole Earth.[e]

36 But stay alert at all times,[f] praying that you may have strength to escape all these things that must[g] happen, and to stand before the Son of Man.”

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke+21%3A34-36&version=NET

(lurkers please click on my screen name to see my FR homepage for more information)
9 posted on 12/04/2023 7:59:29 AM PST by SaveFerris (Luke 17:28 ... as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold ......)
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To: SaveFerris

Amen. For each of us on a personal level, this is most important— ready to meet Lord Jesus face to face.
https://www.gotquestions.org/get-right-with-God.html


10 posted on 12/04/2023 9:41:55 AM PST by ViLaLuz (2 Chronicles 7:14)
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To: ViLaLuz

🔝🔝🔝

✝️🙏🛐


11 posted on 12/04/2023 9:44:59 AM PST by SaveFerris (Luke 17:28 ... as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold ......)
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To: ViLaLuz
Amen! Don't let the clock expire on your eternal future.


12 posted on 12/04/2023 10:22:53 AM PST by Roman_War_Criminal (Jesus + Something = Nothing ; Jesus + Nothing = Everything )
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To: Roman_War_Criminal

So simple even a child can understand it. So perfect!


13 posted on 12/04/2023 1:21:02 PM PST by ViLaLuz (2 Chronicles 7:14)
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To: ViLaLuz

Amen, so perfect - but so few believe.


14 posted on 12/04/2023 2:12:19 PM PST by Roman_War_Criminal (Jesus + Something = Nothing ; Jesus + Nothing = Everything )
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To: SaveFerris; All

I believe a lot of end time prophecy has already occurred with the second world war and so all these images and concepts are already come and gone. And I also believe the era since WW-II is the millenial kingdom, it wasn’t to last a thousand years but was to occur at a millenium. (It may refer to 1,000 orbits of the moon not the earth, and that could be because new Jerusalem is about size of interior space of our moon).

It’s a spiritual kingdom and we are now in the little season, so most signs people watch for now won’t happen this time because they already happened 75-80 years ago. What supports my concept best is that Israel was founded in 1948 not recently. It was to be a sign of the kingdom and it was because Jesus has been reigning in the spirit but will later return visibly to rule in the flesh.

The rapture was always an overly optimistic view that evangelicals would escape the tribulation, but in fact the tribulation was the holocaust and other details of the war. The rapture was the delight of the saints that they had won the war and better times were coming. The tribulation prophecy was for the Jewish people, not us. But I also believe all aspects of that first, undiagnosed end time, will quite possibly be reflected in this second, and final, end time. I expect quite a few details to be reflected and double-verified (in 1938-45 and in 2001-2024?). Solar eclipses widely visible in USA in Aug 2017 and Apr 2024 could be end-pieces of the second and final end time.

Another detail where I disagree with some is about 1260 and 1290 days being consecutive, and I am not alone in it, Daniel uses those numbers, and I believe people go from the divided seven years to get to 1260 then 1290, but you could also have 3.5 years plus the 1260-1290-1335 day schedule to get to seven years.

To be specific, this is how I see it:

1938-1945 _ the seven years started with hitler’s annexation of Austria, the full reich (great Babylon) was created.

1941 (June) _ hitler (the anti-christ and ruler of Babylon) broke the covenant with many and invaded Soviet Union (beast state, verified by its seven kings and eighth who is like the first - that’s Putin - the beast was, is not (in the time after I worked this out in 1980s, under Yeltsin) and then was once again (under Putin). The seven kings were Lenin, Stalin, malenkov, Krushchev, Brezhnev, Andropov (the sixth who “you” see ruling — “you” is my verification, I shared the prophecy after that with a number of people, yes 41 years ago in 1982 — and Chernenko, the seventh who was to last only a little while. Gorbachev-Yeltsin are the “beast is not” interlude and Putin is the return to Lenin etc (he is of the seven). The abomination was probably an event within Nazi inner circles but visible quite plainly to any outside observer in general terms, namely the Nazis believed they were gods and could do anything). It made desolate by justifying the holocaust and other large-scale atrocities across eastern Europe.

1941 (Dec) — the death of the two witnesses, USA and UK or British empire, symbolic rather than literal, as Axis powers brought huge destruction to both USA (Pearl harbor) and Britain (hong kong, malay-singapore). The two witnesses then came back to life and “went to heaven” which I see as code for gained God’s protection, as evidenced by their steady recovery from early disasters to an ultimate total victory in ...

1945 (may Europe, Aug Japan) _ war ended. Jewish holocaust tribulation ended by intervention of Allies. If you want an abomination at day 1290 after 1260 days, it would be the deployment of atomic weapons in August 1945, or possibly July 1945 Potsdam agreement carving up Europe essentially into free and communist-slave.

The millenial kingdom began around time of United Nations before that went off the rails (Oct 1945), and consists mainly of the spread of evangelical Christianity and preaching of the gospel throughout the world. Its first and obvious sign was creation of Israel in 1947-48. An era of general peace, prosperity and freedom followed. It was always foretold that the first kingdom would be under attack and would fail for a time near its end.

Beast (Stalinist communism), dragon (Japan in 1945, now China), and false prophet (always Islam, at least portion which backs jihad) were placed in prison of the pit, and have all come back out since 2001, Islam first, then beast (Putin’s souring of relations with west after 2003) and finally dragon (China especiallly since 2019). We are therefore in final stages of the “thousand year” kingdom and can expect the return of Jesus at any time, there is no 1260 or 1290 day countdown in place because all that happened 1938-45.

There could be a 1260 day countdown for the rule of anti-christ 2.0, that being globalism allied with the current dragon, and that could be timed from spring to summer 2020 to near present time. And I believe there is a “shadow” tribulation, the lockdown and the outpouring of demons from the abyss. But the terrible and deadly tribulation was brought by hitler and his crew, and fell on the Jews and some others. This also explains why we read the puzzling “beast shall hate the whore of Babylon” imagery, it was the death struggle of Stalin and hitler, and certainly, the beast scorched the body (of Germany) with fire.

It also explains passage “Babylon will be recalled” since Babylon is fascism and so is globalism as a new blend of fascist and communist dogma, people are now recalling Babylon and realizing that if any place is now the whore of Babylon, it could be cities of the west, or Ukraine (again the beast hates the whore and is scorching her with fire — one of several double-verifiers to which I alluded).

Why was all this not noted? Perhaps it was but we have not received those prophecies or viewpoints from period of 1938 to 1945. Also despite efforts to publicize this perspective of mine from 1982 on, the rapture-centric view has prevailed.

But think carefully, which era better fits the end of the world, then, or now? This is closer to the little season kind of trouble, significant, but not the worst case scenario of world war two. Do you realize how close the world came to a dominance of Axis powers, where would we have been since 1945 if say Germany defeated Russia and took over most of it, Japan getting eastern portions, and keeping China, with the USA finding by 1944 it could not sustain a two-front war and US, UK suing for peace, thereafter subservient to the Axis? Italy retaining its empire, UK role greatly reduced? And most significantly, NO ISRAEL. In fact possibly no Jews, or very few. The price of getting along with a victorious Germany could have been a greater anti-Semitism in western countries than already existed in the 1930s. Islam would also be in full control of Judea and Samaria and Jerusalem. No Jews would be living there at all. Therefore we would not be in the end time.

So anyway, I see things differently, and fully expect Jesus to return soon and verify this view (in general, perhaps not in every detail) — so that the eternal kingdom will soon begin, not the thousand years (or millenial) kingdom.

This is why the coming will be like a thief in the night, in two possible ways. (1) It already happened, you don’t know the thief was there until you see evidence of it later, so this millenial kingdom came and went (pretty much gone now and waiting for king to appear in power and glory), and/or (2) since 99% of believers are waiting for signs that won’t happen since they already did happen before they were born, the actual second coming will be sudden and dramatic and unexpected, like a thief climbing into your window and bursting into your house.

Where’s America in prophecy? The saints of first end time, and like all of the world today, the mixed harvest waiting for the reaper (we don’t say grim reaper, some may).

What I believe is still in the future is the visible second coming, and the appearance of the New Jerusalem out of heaven. There does not need to be an abomination, and such tribulation as we could expect is probably closing at any time soon. Look to the west, to the states around Utah and Nevada, Idaho, Wyoming, Colorado, Arizona, New mexico, for these events (this is not offered as a mormon centered prophecy). This will be the site of new Jerusalem and it explains why it is on a vast scale (much larger than Israel), and why the prophet John said he saw no sea (he would have thought he was on a high mountain in Judea with his angelic helper(s) and would easily be able to spot the mediterranean or Dead Sea or Sea of Galilee, and could not see any of them. But Utah in particular looks like the landscape around Jerusalem, and so John probably didn’t realize it was far away in a continent he did not know existed.

I cannot offer a precise date for this because (a) I don’t know if we are counting down 1260 days again, and (b) if I thought so, I don’t know where 1290 and 1335 fit into it, as add-ons or extensions. But I do note that the Fauci regime more or less Biden’s puppet government intruding into Trump’s final year, is about 3.5 years old now. I was supposed to fly to Utah on a vision quest (not the first or last) in late march and early April of 2020, and the COVID business thwarted plans (I don’t live in USA, near Canadian border). I was able to get down there finally in Sept 2023 and saw a few interesting new signs to add to others that have convinced me that the Lord’s return and the new Jerusalem will be in that region (the south of Utah in particular) but widely visible with direct impacts on large portions of N America. Will it be a cube of enormous proportions descending from the sky? Possibly, but I suspect that would be difficult to accomplish without destroying the ground and people underneath its landing. (New Jerusalem as I mentioned is said to be about the size that would just about fit inside a hollowed out moon, 1200 to 1500 miles on each edge). But it could be enabled by hologram technology. And I visualize that the cube will then open out, its six faces all lying flat on the earth in the shape of a cross.

Like this:

...[] ...
.[].[].[]
...[]...
...[]...

You’ll easily see how that could be created from a cube, the orientation I chose could be rotated so the longer axis is east-west not north-south as shown. In either case, it approximately covers all populated areas of USA and Canada.

And you thought maga was good?

(side note for anyone following Skinwalker Ranch, if there is advanced technology buried there and one or two other places, it could be related to this concept of a hologram, or some aspect of second coming, and I doubt that we could have a scenario of both alien encounter and unrelated second coming)

I could be more specific about locations but want to keep all of that private in case any interest in this precedes the event; what I expect is, this will happen and then people could recall I told you about it here, but what that signifies eludes me, I only know I am to watch, pray, and share with any who seem worthy to receive a little advance notice, but all I do there is to repeat what has already been said to us.

I believe I have an accurate picture of events but of course I cannot know that as is stated, only the father knows. I do not claim any status, one prophet perhaps, there is little profit in prophecy in this world.


15 posted on 12/05/2023 5:49:49 PM PST by Peter ODonnell (Prayers up for Jim Robinson and family ... an island of sanity in a sea of madness. )
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To: Peter ODonnell
The Two Witnesses will be men - their bodies lie in the streets of Jerusalem after they are killed by the Antichrist (the Beast). They will come back to life after 3-1/2 days.

They will Rapture into Heaven, alive, in plain view of the world. Their ascension will be caught on the Liberal Media - many will be astonished while others will continue to disbelieve.

There is no need for allegory here. These incredible events will take place on Earth.

Revelation chapter 11. Yes, these are supernatural events.

One can plainly see the world is heading towards a cashless world; all digital currency. This will be a pre-cursor to the Mark of the Beast, where no man can Buy or Sell.

Even Jared Kushner has been part of making End Times events come true. It perfectly aligns with Scripture (Obama, Hillary, Ban Ki Moon, George Mitchell, Tony Blair, all used this phrase - they're talking themselves into it).

[Abraham Accords - a two-state solution with the Palestinians.]

'Peace and Security'

Now for a canned post (I am posting this as further proof of the times we are living in):

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THE FOLLOWING IS FROM SOMETHING I HAVE SAVED FOR THESE TOPICS - SO THAT THOSE WITH EYES TO SEE AND EARS TO HEAR MAY SEE AND HEAR

The real shame of it, I'm very sorry to say, is the following. The man got further than anyone, using the exact words the Scripture has prophesied. Words used by Hillary, Barack, Bibi, United Nations people, Tony Blair, etc. etc. etc. This (when confirmed by the Man of Lawlessness) will unleash the 7-years of Tribulation upon the Earth and there will be no shutting it down. (And in the middle of that 7 years, the Mark of the Beast (Revelation 13:16-18, Revelation 14:9-12). Then shall be Great Tribulation such as never was.) Not until the actual Second Coming of Jesus Christ to this Earth.

And then shall the "god of this world" be finally dethroned (AFTER the Second Coming of Jesus Christ), along with the kings of the Earth that followed him.

The following is composed from a previous post of mine. This is where this old world is headed my friends; it will not be stopped; for it was prophesied from old. It will....wait for it...come to pass. Exactly as the Lord has prophesied. All events will eventually (duh) lead to the Scripture being fulfilled. I can only pray to be worthy by the blood of Christ (Luke 21:34-36; Hebrews 1:3).

I hate to post it but my duty to the Lord comes first (in whatever small way it might wake some people up) - >>>Now I DON'T know that he's THE guy<<< - simply pointing out that the groundwork is being laid - EXACTLY as God's Holy Word in the Bible predicted.

1st Thessalonians 5:3

Revised Standard Version

3 When people say, “There is
PEACE AND SECURITY,”
then sudden destruction will come upon them as travail comes upon a woman with child, and there will be no escape.

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1%20Thessalonians%205%3A3&version=RSV



https://www.israelhayom.com/2019/05/20/kushner-confirms-bahrain-economic-workshop-in- apparent-first-part-of-us-peace-plan/




16 posted on 12/06/2023 4:39:04 AM PST by SaveFerris (Luke 17:28 ... as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold ......)
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"Peace and Security"

Barack, Hillary, Tony Blair, George Mitchell, United Nations Leader, etc.

World “leaders” speak about “peace and security”:

1 Thessalonians 5:1-4 English Standard Version (ESV) - The Day of the Lord

1 Now concerning the times and the seasons, brothers, you have no need to have anything written to you.
2 For you yourselves are fully aware that the day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night.
3 While people are saying, “There is >>>>peace and security<<<<,” then sudden destruction will come upon them as labor pains come upon a pregnant woman, and they will not escape.
4 But you are not in darkness, brothers, for that day to surprise you like a thief.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xpJbAE6BmHo
17 posted on 12/06/2023 4:41:34 AM PST by SaveFerris (Luke 17:28 ... as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold ......)
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