Posted on 10/02/2023 11:57:46 AM PDT by ADSUM
Amen
Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have. But do this with gentleness and respect, keeping a clear conscience....
1Peter 3:15-16
I have noticed recently several threads started by Catholics which seemed as though they were designed to be provocative, and this seems to be another: Sola Scriptura, Mary, the Eucharist. They certainly seem to fall short in the "gentleness and respect" aspect.
I don't seem to recall Protestants leaping onto soapboxes to create threads arguing the contradictory point, but perhaps I just overlooked them.
Still, I cannot help wondering what the impetus is for such belligerent threads, since it doesn't seem to have been the Holy Spirit.
I have shared the teaching of the Catholic Faith which was passed down by Jesus, the Apostles and their successors for 2000 years.
As surveys have shown not all Catholics fully believe in the true presence of Christ in the Eucharist. Perhaps they were not fully catechized early in life or have been misled by the world.
As Catholics, we accept the mysteries of God by Faith that we obtain through grace of the sacraments and belief in the God’s Word.
For your sake, I hope you seek and understand God’s Truth. Consider some of the writings of the early church fathers.
Please tell why this article and posting is provocative?
I agree with St Peter. Where have I not shown respect?
Certainly, others can have opinions and state their case as to why the teachings of Jesus and the Apostles about the Eucharist are not true.
Jesus told us to share His teachings with all nations. (Mt 28)
If we don’t have civil discussions or study of important beliefs about our eternal life, how will we learn God’s Truth and how to be with God after death? Why do some get upset when the Catholic faith is discussed? They do not have to respond or can respond with their beliefs.
We should be willing to seek God’s Truth, not our truth!
He said, Himself, that what He said was metaphor.
John 6:63 The Spirit gives life; the flesh counts for nothing. The words I have spoken to you—they are full of the Spirit and life.
Matthew 23:9 And do not call anyone on earth ‘father,’ for you have one Father, and he is in heaven.
He also gave us the model of prayer to pray to GOD the Father.
Why do you all pick and choose which words of Jesus to take literally and obey or disobey?
The presence of God is in every living thing. Why would it be so difficult to accept that the presence of Jesus is in the Eucharist? Did it not start out as a plant, a living thing?
Christianity is not pantheism.
“thou hast given them blood to drink” - somewhere in Revelation? - Something about Jezebel?
“they shall eat their own flesh” - somewhere in the Bible.
Unless there are hooves or scales involved or a party ‘neeth the sheet . . .
As I indicated, the recent spate of 1,000-post threads were belligerent and argumentative, and this appears to fit right in with them.
Knowing that, as I expect you do, gentleness and respect would have mandated a different approach here to distinguish this post from that stridency. A good question for your introspection might be, “How strenuously did I seek the Holy Spirit’s counsel before I posted this, in discerning how and when He would have me present this?”
I do seek to understand Christ’s teachings as best as I can given our limitations. Peace.
He did create everything, so His work is everywhere.
THIER IS SALVATION ONLY IN JESUS’S NAME, NO CHURCH, OR INTERMEDERARY.
nantaimori. (with a side of smother)
My favorite catholic who is still learning how to understand the Bible.
So you believe that the flesh of Jesus who died for your sins doesn’t help at all? That is amazing! Jesus flesh does give life to the world. John 6:51; Eph 2:13-16
Perhaps, we might consider that John 6:63 should be understood as the human reason’s inability to comprehend revealed truths apart from faith in contrast to the Holy Spirit’s ability to enlighten our minds.
So do you believe that Jesus as God can’t give us a gift of his flesh and blood as transubstantiated from bread and wine for our consumption and eternal life?
Yes, the words that Jesus has spoken are spirit and Life: “Truly, truly I say to you unless you eat the flesh of the Son man and drink his blood, you have no life in you; he who eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and i will raise him on the last day.” (6:53-54)
It was very clear in John that all believed the literal words of Jesus to eat his flesh and drink his blood. Peter said “we have believed, and have come to know, that you are the Holy One of God.”
Everyone has the choice to believe Jesus or to follow man’s words of interpretation. Sacred tradition and Sacred Scripture of the words of Jesus have been followed except for the protestant religions.
—> Do we believe that Jesus can change the bread and wine into His Body and Blood (Transubstantiation) just as He changed water into wine (John 2:1-11)?
Even if you ignore the metaphor Christ used and assume they ate His actual body, He never said it would ever happen again, nor that men in costumes could perform this transformation.
Instead, we read we are to break her ear and drink wine in memory of Him until He returns.
That’s true.
But He is not IN everything in the sense that pantheism states and that sounded like what you were stating.
What did Jesus say?
The consumption of blood is forbidden by God throughout Scripture, before the Law was given, explicitly in the Law, and reiterated by the apostles at the Council at Jerusalem.
The blood is to be poured out for the atonement.
Eating of human flesh is always considered a curse by God and a sign of His judgment.
Just as the Passover lamb was a symbolic foreshadowing of Jesus, and not really Jesus Himself, so communion, the bread and wine, are symbolic remembrances of Jesus FINISHED work on the cross. That view does not conflict with the rest of Scripture, where claiming that eating human flesh and drinking human blood is necessary or even happens, does.
So Catholics are left with explaining the contradiction and need more than *It’s a mystery of the faith*, which is a cop out.
I guess we will all find out at the great white throne judgment, won’t we? 😁😂😆
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