Posted on 08/16/2023 6:39:10 AM PDT by zucchini bob
(2 Peter 1:20) Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. (Isaiah 28:10) For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little: (Isaiah 28:13) But the word of the LORD was unto them precept upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little; that they might go, and fall backward, and be broken, and snared, and taken.
We know what Jesus said (we have a translation at any rate), but we weren't there and don't know the spirit in which Jesus said this to his mother.
For all we know, he had a twinkle in his eye when he said it (as opposed to having been offended).
What we do know is that Mary took this statement from Jesus as something quite different than it sounds.
Jesus said (paraphrased, of course), why are you bothering me about this? And his mother took his response as "Sigh, okay...where are some large empty wine jugs?" That's why her next response wasn't an apology, but a comment to the servants ("He'll tell you what to do...just follow his instructions").
As an aside, it's a wonderful story because we get more insight into Jesus's personality (which is obviously unique in all the world).
One additional point, we get some insight into Jesus's relationship with his mother. He made it quite clear--once again--that He's the boss. And Mary made it quite clear that she understand exactly why. She wasn't deterred by his mildly brusque comment. She acted like it was in character and just kept going, hence her turning to the servants and giving them instructions.
What a wonderful story.
Do you also believe Jesus was joking when He called Peter, “Satan?”
Does that have anything to do with my comment or are you just curious as to what I might think?
In one verse, the wedding at Cana, he's at a party. In the one you mention, we know that Jesus is extremely on edge about what's coming (i.e., his arrest, scourging, and Crucifixion).
What parallel are you drawing?
You seem to think Jesus isn’t serious with his comments to people close to him.
Now where would you get that from?
How do you take what I said about one exchange with his mother and apply that to ALL his comments to people close to himself?
That's quite a leap, isn't it?
What is your motive?
Here's what I said:
For all we know, he had a twinkle in his eye when he said it (as opposed to having been offended).
Does my comment indicate that I SEEM TO THINK Jesus isn't serious with his comments to people close to him?
What an illogical conclusion for you to draw.
So, when Jesus says, “Woman, why do you involve me? My hour has not yet come,” you think he's likely grinning, while when he called Peter “Satan,” he likely was grinning, mad, or what, exactly?
NOTHING is more 'obvious' that the FACT that Mary never ASKED Jesus to do anything. "Wanted"? - that's pure speculation!
If anything, she was complaining that there was no more wine.
You disagree with ALL these guys??
To the Maiden with you!!
| Ambrose: …constantly pray ‘Open to us, O Mary, the gates of paradise, since thou hast its KEYS. Anselm: It suffices, O Lady, that thou willest it, and our SALVATION is certain. Antoninus: …souls protected by Mary, and on which she casts her eyes, are NECESSARILY JUSTIFIED AND SAVED. Athanasius: …And, thou, O Lady, wast filled with grace, that thou mightiest be the way of our SALVATION and the means of ascent to the heavenly Kingdom. Bernadine: …all gifts, all virtues, and all graces are dispensed by the hands of Mary to whomsoever, when, and as she pleases. O Lady, since thou art the dispenser of all graces, and since the grace of salvation can ONLY come through thy hands, OUR SALVATION DEPENDS ON THEE. (Leo XIII: Adiutricem populi, September 5, 1895) — [p. 19, no. 44] Blosius: To the, O Lady, are committed the KEYS and the treasures of the kingdom of Heaven. Bonaventure: …the gates of heaven will open to all who confide in the protection of Mary. Blessed are they who know thee, O Mother of God, for the knowledge of THEE is the high road to everlasting life, and the publication of thy virtues is the way of ETERNAL SALVATION . Give ear, O ye nations; and all you who desire heaven , serve, honor Mary, and certainly you will find ETERNAL LIFE. She says, "He that shall find Me shall find life, and shall have salvation from the Lord. "Qui me invenerit, inveniet vitam, et hauriet salutem a Domino." Listen," exclaims St. Bonaventure on these words, "listen, all you who desire the kingdom of God: honor the most Blessed Virgin Mary, and you will find life and eternal salvation." "Audite qui ingredi cupitis regnum Dei: Virginem Mariam honorate, et invenietis vitam et salutem perpetuam."-psalt. B.V.ps.48.
Ephem: …devotion to the divine Mother…is the unlocking of the heavenly Jerusalem. Fulgetius: …by Mary God descended from Heaven into the world, that by HER man might ascend from earth to Heaven. Guerric: …he who serves Mary and for whom she intercedes, is as CERTAIN of heaven as if he were already there…and those who DO NOT serve Mary will NOT BE SAVED. Richard of Laurence: Mary, in fine, is the mistress of heaven; for there she commands as she wills, and ADMITS whom she wills.
“The Catholic Church has always and with justice put all her hope and trust in the Mother of God.” (Leo XIII: Encyclical, Supreme Apostolatus, September 1, 1883.) — [p. 32, no. 104]
(Leo XIII: Encyclical, Augustissimae, September 12, 1897.) [p. 68; no. 302] "Only She Can Help You"
Mary Leads Her Servants to Heaven
The Rosary Hail Mary, Full of Grace Mary, Our Life, Our Sweetness, Our Hope The historical record of the worship of Mary accumulated by St. Alphonsus de Liguori who wrote “The Glories of Mary” in the year 1745, which has been since translated into English and printed again and again and again with the full affirmation and imprimatur of the official Roman Catholic Church. In this book there is the sum of all the glories of Mary which has been vouchsafe to the Roman Catholic Church and the Church itself calls upon all its constituents to give Mary that honor she is due. She is identified as Mary, our Queen; Mary, our mother; Mary, our life; Mary, our sweetness; Mary, our hope; Mary, our help; Mary, our Mediatress; Mary, our advocate; Mary, our guardian; and Mary, our salvation. It is said that Mary delivers us from hell, Mary delivers us from purgatory, and Mary leads us to heaven. And it should be said that de Liguori, who collected all the Marion dogma and devotion, was himself one of the most celebrated and revered authorities in the Roman Catholic Church. De Liguori was himself a cardinal in life, and a saint in death.
Jesus said "Without Me you can do nothing". In this crisis which looms ahead of us, Our Lady has told us that we need Her help, Her intercession. We must ask for Her help with the Rosary and the Scapular. At Fatima, Our Lady told us very plainly that "Only I can help you". Today more than ever is this so true. Pray the Rosary and sacrifice yourself for Our Lady. I urge you to also make some sacrifices as Our Lady of Fatima asked us. For those who are able, do some fasting. If you can, abstain from meat by eating meat only during one meal a day. Try to do this for two days, even ten days or 30 days. Of course we should abstain totally from meat every Friday.
Jesus and Mary — Our Hope It is so urgent that we reach as many souls as possible before it is too late. Let us be of good cheer and remember the words of Jesus to each of us, "It's never too late to have recourse to Jesus and Mary." That is why it is so important to reach the many millions of souls who do not know this, and who do not know the grave dangers lying in wait for their souls. No, we must never lose hope. Mary is our hope. She can obtain for us what we cannot by ourselves. Read what St. Alphonsus has to say regarding confidence in Our Lady's intercession in "Mary Leads Her Servants to Heaven". Father Manelli also reminds us of the importance of devotion to Our Lady. (See "Hail Mary, Full of Grace"). Our Blessed Mother tells us to turn to Her in confidence. She tells us repeatedly to ask Her intercession through the frequent fervent praying of the Rosary. (See "The Rosary"). She tells us we must pray the Rosary every day. She wants us to pray it many times a day.
http://fatima.org/crusader/cr38/cr38pg2.asp "Blessed is he whose interior offers the Blessed Virgin Mary a place of repose." Devotion towards the Blessed Virgin remains in all who are the inheritance of Our Lord; that is to say, in all who will praise Him eternally in Heaven. O, how many blessed souls are now in Heaven who would never have been there had not Mary, by Her powerful intercession, led them thither. I made that in the heavens there should rise light that never faileth. Cardinal Hugo, in his commentary on the above text of Ecclesiasticus, says in the name of Mary, "I have caused as many saints in Heaven through Her intercession, who would never have been there but through Her ." ...in the words of St. Ambrose, "Open to us, O Mary, the gates of paradise, since Thou hast its keys." "Aperi nobis, O Virgo coelum, cujus claves habes." Nay more, the Church says, that "Thou art its gate."
St. Antoninus tells us "that this divine Mother has already, by Her assistance and prayers, obtained Heaven for us, provided we put no obstacle in the way."23 Hence, says Abbot Guerric, "he who serves Mary, and for whom She intercedes, is as certain of Heaven as if he was already there."24 St. John Damascene also says, "that to serve Mary and be Her courtier is the greatest honor we can possibly possess; for to serve the Queen of Heaven is already to reign there, and live under Her commands is more than to govern."25 On the other hand, he adds, "that those who do not serve Mary will not be saved; for those who are deprived of the help of this great Mother are also deprived of that of Her Son and of the whole court of heaven."26 23. "Coeleste nobis regnum, suo interventu auxiliis, et precibus, impetravit."—Paciucch. Sup. Salve Reg. exc. I. Cardinal Hugo http://fatima.org/crusader/cr38/cr38pg3.asp
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"For all we know he had a twinkle in his eye"That's an illogical leap, isn't it? Why would you do that?TO
"You think he's likely grinning"?
It's Jesus talking to his mother for heaven's sake. Do you snarl at your mother? Are you brusque with her?
We cannot know his state of mind when He was speaking to his mother, but we can only imagine how much He loves her. Also, we do know that she wasn't deterred in the slightest.
Are you a troll just trying to stir up trouble...trying to pick a fight? You do realize that Jesus is watching, don't you?
Thanks for filling in the blanks... I think...
Jesus literally said she had no reason to “involve” Him. Simply saying something is out doesn’t “involve” Him. An expectation He do something, does.
It’s pretty simple logic.
Okay, so you believe when someone has a “twinkle” in their eye, they are mad, happy, jesting, or what, exactly?
Or do you simply believe it was the way the light shown in His eyes, that day?
Okay, so you believe when someone has a “twinkle” in their eye, they are mad, happy, jesting, or what, exactly?You are kidding, aren't you?Or do you simply believe it was the way the light shown in His eyes, that day?
What a troll!
"Handmaid of THE LORD"
You're gonna have to up your "cut and paste" game there bud..
lest some begin to think its getting a bit... stale...
;)
Wrong.
God has no mother. NO human woman can be the mother of God, which term is never found in Scripture.
The Holy Spirit identifies her as *the mother of JESUS*.
She did not birth God. She birthed the Incarnation of God.
Or are you denying His humanity?
Yes, just like any saved person.
The word used in Gabriel's greeting is used one other place in the NT and that is in Ephesians 1:6 where Paul tells us that we are all graced.
5487. charitoó
There is nonsuch thing as the Immaculate Conception.
Mary had human parents from whom she inherited a sin nature, just like everyone else on the planet who has a human father.
Mary didn’t need to be sinless either, because what you all claim God did for Mary in making her be born sinless from sinful human parents, God could have also done for Jesus being born of a sinful human mother.
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