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To: spirited irish

Pretty important article/subject for looking like a dead thread. Maybe it is the long lead time for recovery that is the turn off.


3 posted on 03/03/2023 2:16:59 AM PST by wita (Under oath since 1966 in defense of Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness)
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Your home page is impressive. It was a pleasure to read.


4 posted on 03/03/2023 2:25:04 AM PST by spirited irish ( )
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Every advance in human history has been driven by population growth – from the industrial revolution to the computer age. But what happens when people stop having children? Then we enter what used to be called on Medieval maps terra incognita – unknown territory. I fear the author has inverted the truth and put the cart before the horse. Neither the industrial revolution nor the computer age were not "driven by population growth" rather the Industrial revolution increased agricultural productivity which fed (literally) population growth.

I don't believe anyone reading this will seriously argue that increased population drove the computer age. In fact, there is some argument to be made that the computer age has had the effect of reducing population.

As to the medieval age, the author might rethink his premise if he reflects on the Black Death which depopulated much of the known world, especially Europe, resulting in many positive developments such as increase in wages and standard of living of peasants because their labor had become scarce and demanded better remuneration. The Black death reduced population yet delivered an "advance in human history."

Wars for conquest of land and imperialism in general were often driven by the belief that growing populations needed to feed themselves from their neighbors bounty. Native Americans might argue that not only good things come from population growth. In the modern age we can cite urban sprawl as the negative consequence of population growth.

Too many assertions in this article are blandly made without proof. We shall see whether we need all these workers in the age of robots and artificial intelligence to produce goods and services. We shall see in an age of advanced medical science and wonderful new inventions whether we need more consumers or whether consumers will simply consume more goods and services and, for example, health care. Maybe we will just live better enslaving robots in a wonderful new age of artificial intelligence and marvelous materials.

This trope of Peter Zaihan in which everything turns on population might have some merit but have a care, the Chinese are learning all about the unintended consequences of trying to shape demography by government fiat.

Let God do it.


7 posted on 03/03/2023 2:59:20 AM PST by nathanbedford (Attack, repeat, attack! - Bull Halsey)
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To: wita; spirited irish

I don’t think this is really as dead a thread as you think. I am betting that a lot of people read it and just don’t know how to comment on it. Population collapse is a huge threat, but what can we do about it? We can’t legislate to force people to have children, can’t shame them as the shameless don’t care.

And it’s not a topic for jokes and humorous comments for us.

I just wanted to thank Spirited for posting about it, and also say that I agree with Wita that this was a major reason for the scamdemic.

It’s in God’s hands now.


8 posted on 03/03/2023 3:00:15 AM PST by Apple Pan Dowdy (... as American as Apple Pie)
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