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On Bergoglio's Jesuit Fantasy Island, pro-abort politicians are entitled to Holy Communion, while anybody who supports capital punishment is unwelcome.

While Bergoglio reverses the Church's teaching on the just use of the death penalty, he's calling for the decriminalization of laws against sodomy.

1 posted on 02/28/2023 4:57:20 PM PST by ebb tide
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2 posted on 02/28/2023 4:58:56 PM PST by ebb tide
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To: ebb tide

I must agree with father freakshow..
But for a different reason.
An illegitimate and corrupt government like ours has no moral authority to kill anyone.


3 posted on 02/28/2023 5:05:28 PM PST by BAN-ONE
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To: ebb tide
Heretical pro-LGBT Jesuit priest Fr. James Martin has called for conservative Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis, who is Catholic, to be denied Communion because he supports the death penalty.

Fr. James Martin must not know the difference between killing innocent babies, and killing a guilty man or woman. The unborn are innocent.

Fr. Martin should know that killing babies is wrong.

Following the law after a trial by judge and jury is really really not the same as killing the innocent for your convenience.

4 posted on 02/28/2023 5:07:04 PM PST by olezip
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To: ebb tide

The church used to be big on executions, had that inquisition thing down.


5 posted on 02/28/2023 5:12:02 PM PST by DejaJude (I'll be back, again.)
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To: ebb tide

This DEMON has said that politicians who support abortion should not be denied communion.

Killing innocent babies? Well, that’s between you and God. Killing brutal murderers? Wait a minute. No communion for you


7 posted on 02/28/2023 5:15:47 PM PST by Fido969 (45 is Superman! )
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To: ebb tide
This may sound a bit weak for a Catholic, but does “render unto Caesar” apply here? DeSantis is doing his executive duty to enforce existing law. That’s quite different than getting or preforming an abortion. There’s no law saying if you get pregnant and the whim strikes you that you have to murder your baby.

Being a former Protestant I’ve had to struggle with my stance on the death penalty. One rationale is that Christ himself was accepting of capital punishment, although there’s no Bible verse to support that. I’ve always been anti-abortion, so that’s never been an issue. I tacitly go along with being anti-capital punishment, but frequently find myself advocating it for rhetorical purposes to essentially say a murderer should receive the most severe of punishments. Then again, I’m not upset when a murderer receives life in prison instead of the death sentence. That I consider a far worse punishment.

8 posted on 02/28/2023 5:27:01 PM PST by ConservativeInPA (Stupidly is a moral problem, not an intellectual problem. )
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To: ebb tide

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9 posted on 02/28/2023 5:27:27 PM PST by Mark (DONATE ONCE every 3 months-is that a big deal?)
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To: ebb tide

Jesus to be denied communion for supporting the death penalty...

God declared capital punishment for certain offenses. God also commanded Israelites to execute other peoples, and in some cases, all of them and their animals. Its not like He was suddenly all wrong about it, and changed His mind.


10 posted on 02/28/2023 5:36:24 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; not averse to Going Bronson.)
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Plenty of Demoxrats support the death penalty, including, last time I checked, President Biden. Why doesn’t he think Biden should be denied?


11 posted on 02/28/2023 5:39:33 PM PST by nickcarraway
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To: ebb tide

Does this mean pro-abortion should be denied Communion?


12 posted on 02/28/2023 5:40:09 PM PST by nickcarraway
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To: ebb tide

Supporting the death penalty is not a sin.

Unlike legalizing abortion which actually is.


23 posted on 02/28/2023 6:25:48 PM PST by Skywise
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To: ebb tide; olezip; Fido969; ConservativeInPA; Secret Agent Man; nickcarraway
Here is a quote on the subject by C. S. Lewis. He abandoned a scholarship to Oxford in 1916 to serve in the British army as an officer with the Somerset Light Infantry. He was wounded at the Battle of Arras and suffered depression during his convalescence. The quote comes from Mere Christianity, which was fleshed out from radio broadcasts he made during WW II. I consider his a durable example of Christianity combining experience with extraordinary scholarship.

"Does loving your enemy mean not punishing him? No, for loving myself does not mean that I ought not to subject myself to punishment - even to death. If one has committed a murder, the right Christian thing to do would be to give yourself up to the police and be hanged. It is therefore in my opinion, perfectly right for a Christian judge to sentence a man to death or a Christian soldier to kill an enemy, I always thought so, ever since I became a Christian, and long before the war, and still think so now that we are a peace.”

“It is no good quoting, ‘Thou shalt not kill.’ There are two Greek words: the ordinary word to kill and the word to murder. And when Christ quotes that commandment He uses the murder one in all three accounts, Matthew, Mark, and Luke. And I am told there is the same distinction in Hebrew. All killing is not murder any more that all sexual intercourse is adultery. When soldiers came to St. John the Baptist asking what to do, he never remotely suggested that they ought to leave the army: nor did Christ when he met a Roman sergeant-major - what they called a centurion. The idea of the knight - the Christian in arms for defense of a good cause - is one of the great Christian ideas."

The distinction in Hebrew is ratsach in the commandment “Thou shalt not Kill”, which corresponds to our understanding for most cases of first degree murder. In military and other settings the words muwth, harag, shamad, charam and shachath are used, which King James translations of kill, slay or destroy. Sorry about missing all the accent points, but Word has its limitations.

24 posted on 02/28/2023 8:13:13 PM PST by Retain Mike ( Sat Cong)
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