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The Final Destruction of Demons – Holy Baptism
Ancient Faith Ministries ^ | January 6, 2023 | Fr. Stephen Freeman

Posted on 01/06/2023 8:33:13 AM PST by Carpe Cerevisi

“Final” is not a word you often hear in Christian teaching. Most Christians leave the final things until, well, the End. But this is not the language of the fathers nor of the Church. A good illustration can be found in the Orthodox service of Holy Baptism. During the blessing of the waters the priest prays:

And grant to [this water] the grace of redemption, the blessing of Jordan. Make it the fountain of incorruption, the gift of sanctification, the remission of sins, the remedy of infirmities; the final destruction of demons, unassailable by hostile powers, filled with angelic might. Let those who would ensnare Your creature flee far from it. For we have called upon Your Name, O Lord, and it is wonderful, and glorious, and awesome even to adversaries.

What can it possibly mean to ask that the waters be made “the final destruction of demons”?

The nature of the waters of Baptism reveals the Orthodox understanding of the world. These waters, now in a font, are none other than the waters of the Jordan. They are an incorruptible fountain and all the things we ask for. They are the final destruction of demons because they are nothing other than Christ’s Pascha. The waters of the font are Christ’s death on the Cross and His destruction of Hades. They are the resurrection of the dead.

For this reason St. Paul can say:

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TOPICS: Orthodox Christian; Theology
KEYWORDS: baptism; orthodoxy; sacrament
The latest from Fr. Stephen Freeman. I hope you find it edifying.
1 posted on 01/06/2023 8:33:13 AM PST by Carpe Cerevisi
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To: Carpe Cerevisi

We know that a prayer is not a command but a wish and we know that once baptised there can be and is “backsliding” by the individual in which the COMMITMENT of the individual made in baptism is failed to be sustained.


2 posted on 01/06/2023 9:15:44 AM PST by Wuli
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To: Carpe Cerevisi; ConservativeMind; ealgeone; Mark17; BDParrish; fishtank; boatbums; Luircin; ...
And grant to [this water] the grace of redemption,..the fountain of incorruption..the remission of sins, the remedy of infirmities; the final destruction of demons, unassailable by hostile powers, filled with angelic might.
What can it possibly mean to ask that the waters be made “the final destruction of demons”? The nature of the waters of Baptism reveals the Orthodox understanding of the world. These waters, now in a font, are none other than the waters of the Jordan. They are an incorruptible fountain and all the things we ask for. They are the final destruction of demons because they are nothing other than Christ’s Pascha. The waters of the font are Christ’s death on the Cross and His destruction of Hades. They are the resurrection of the dead...This event becomes that event. This time is now that time. Christ’s death now becomes my death. Christ’s resurrection now becomes my resurrection.
How utterly and uselessly weak is the thought that Baptism is merely an obedience to a command given by Christ! The idea that nothing happens in Baptism is both contrary to Scripture and a denial of the very nature of our salvation.

What delusion. Assigning supernatural power to water or making that act as effecting regeneration is false doctrine wile holding baptism to merely be obedience to a command is erroneous (likewise teaching Rm. 6 refers to baptism by the Spirit, as some do). Water does not save anyone, nor the very act of baptism, but it is a formal and commanded act by which the baptized is confessing penitent, heart-purifying, regenerating effectual faith, (Acts 10:43-47; 15:7-9) in the Lord Jesus, (cf. Romans 10:8-13) signifying death to self and being made alive in Christ, which the act itself does not effect (contrary to RC theology at least)

Thus Paul writes,

Do you not know that as many of us as were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into His death? Therefore we were buried with Him through baptism into death, that just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we should walk in newness of life (Rom. 6:3-4)....Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord. Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof. (Romans 6:11-12)

"Do you not know?" is asked because they needed to realize what their baptism signified and thus act it out, and not because this act had actually effected regeneration - which is NOT what Paul, nor Peter preached.

Instead, the simplest most sucient presentation of the gospel states and records,

To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins. While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word. And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost. For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter, Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we? And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days. (Acts 10:43-48)
And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe. And God, which knoweth the hearts, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Ghost, even as he did unto us; And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith. (Acts 15:7-9)
in whom ye also, having heard the word of the truth--the good news of your salvation--in whom also having believed, ye were sealed with the Holy Spirit of the promise, (Eph 1:13 YLT)

Thus it is penitent, heart-purifying, regenerating effectual faith that preceded baptism in Acts 10, and which is interpretive of Acts 2:38.

There, Peter promised devout OT-type Jews that if they did something - baptism - which required as well as confessed faith, then they would receive the promised gift of the Spirit, for to believe is to obey, thus if they would be baptized it meant that they believed.

For as with the palsied man in Mark 2:2-11 in which forgiveness went together with healing so that the Lord could ask, "Whether is it easier to say to the sick of the palsy, Thy sins be forgiven thee; or to say, Arise, and take up thy bed, and walk? " (Mark 2:9) For as with faith and obedience, forgiveness went together with healing as cause and effect. However, the effect is not be confused as being the cause, and it is clearly stated and shown that it is effectual regenerating faith which is imputed/counted for righteousness.

What shall we say then that Abraham our father, as pertaining to the flesh, hath found? (Romans 4:1) Who against hope believed in hope, that he might become the father of many nations; according to that which was spoken, So shall thy seed be. And being not weak in faith, he considered not his own body now dead, when he was about an hundred years old, neither yet the deadness of Sara’s womb: He staggered not at the promise of God through unbelief; but was strong in faith, giving glory to God; And being fully persuaded that, what he had promised, he was able also to perform. And therefore it was imputed to him for righteousness. Now it was not written for his sake alone, that it was imputed to him; But for us also, to whom it shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead; (Romans 4:18-24)
Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost. (Titus 3:5)

In contrast, attributing regenerative power to baptism has resulted in vast multitudes have a false confidence that they are children of God thereby, without ever having faced their damnable condition and effectually believed on the Lord Jesus who alone can save them on His account, thus rendering them "accepted in the Beloved." (Eph. 16) Thanks be to God.

Finally, while EO's have significant disagreements with Rome, they are also hold to many errors, is as much as Rome, that of distinctive Catholic teachings that are not manifest in the only wholly inspired substantive authoritative record of what the NT church believed (which is Scripture, in particular Acts through Revelation, which best shows how the NT church understood the gospels).

3 posted on 01/06/2023 11:41:11 AM PST by daniel1212 (Turn to the Lord Jesus as a damned+destitute sinner, trust Him who saves, be baptized + follow Him!)
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To: daniel1212

“What delusion. Assigning supernatural power to water or making that act as effecting regeneration is false doctrine wile holding baptism to merely be obedience to a command is erroneous...”

“Delusion” is the kind way of saying it, Daniel.

Rom 10:3 For they being ignorant of God’s righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.


4 posted on 01/06/2023 11:52:22 AM PST by SouthernClaire (And though after my skin worms destroy this body, yet in my flesh shall I see God ~ Job)
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To: SouthernClaire

Not to Peter.

https://www.catholic.com/qa/how-baptism-saves-us

Jesus spoke of baptism as a second birth (regeneration), saying, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God” (John 3:5). And St. Paul tells us that this new birth through baptism is salvific, stating that God “saved us, not because of deeds done by us in righteousness, but in virtue of his own mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewal in the Holy Spirit” (Titus 3:5). And again in 1 Peter 3:21: “Baptism . . . now saves you, not as a removal of dirt from the body but as an appeal to God for a clear conscience, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ.”

This washing of regeneration (re-birth) through the waters of baptism was instituted by Christ as an instrument of salvation. God also used water as the instrumental cause of salvation for the eight people aboard Noah’s ark (1 Peter 3:20-21).

St. Thomas Aquinas explains:

It was fitting that through the visible things themselves the remedies of salvation be applied to men.

Regarding the spiritual generation which takes place in baptism, one must consider that the generation of a living thing is a kind of change from non-living to life. But man in his origin was deprived of spiritual life by original sin and still every single sin whatever which is added draws him away from life. Baptism, therefore, which is spiritual generation, had to have the power to take away both original sin and all the actual, committed sins.

Now, because the sensible sign of a sacrament must be harmonious with the representation of its spiritual effect, and since washing away filth in bodily things is done more easily and more commonly by water, baptism is, therefore, suitably conferred in water made holy by the Word of God” (Saint Thomas Aquinas—On the Truth of the Catholic Faith Summa Contra Gentiles Book Four: Salvation p. 250).


5 posted on 01/06/2023 1:03:25 PM PST by Texas_Guy
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To: Texas_Guy

There are many types of baptism, and different times for them.

“And St. Paul tells us that this new birth through baptism is salvific, stating that God “saved us, not because of deeds done by us in righteousness, but in virtue of his own mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewal in the Holy Spirit” (Titus 3:5).”

That’s the Holy Spirit not water.

I’ll be back in a couple of hours and give a better, response, as you posted well, Tex. (Swamped and trying to respond doesn’t work for me.)


6 posted on 01/06/2023 1:09:00 PM PST by SouthernClaire (And though after my skin worms destroy this body, yet in my flesh shall I see God ~ Job)
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To: SouthernClaire
Rom 10:3 For they being ignorant of God’s righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.

Yet in at least RC theology, it is imagined that the act itself a valid baptism effects regeneration, thereby formally justifying the subject on the basis of his own righteousness. See https://peacebyjesuscom.blogspot.com/2019/06/basically-what-is-roman-catholic.html

7 posted on 01/06/2023 1:21:09 PM PST by daniel1212 (Turn to the Lord Jesus as a damned+destitute sinner, trust Him who saves, be baptized + follow Him!)
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To: Texas_Guy
Peter was told the way it happened:
From the Gospel reading today from Matthew:

On coming up out of the water he saw the heavens being torn open
and the Spirit, like a dove,
descending upon him.



8 posted on 01/06/2023 1:58:10 PM PST by MurphsLaw ("Put on the whole armor of God, that you may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil." )
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To: Texas_Guy

I know I won’t get anywhere on this because of the RCC’s position on Israel, but still you deserve an answer to your post.

“Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God” (John 3:5).

Our Lord Jesus came to the Jews only to minister to the Jews only. The Church was instituted later by Christ Jesus using the Apostle Paul as the apostle of the Gentiles. Lord Jesus was not speaking to anyone but Israel in the John 3:5 statement (ye).

Further on this text, it was regarding entry into the Kingdom, not into The Body of Christ, a/k/a the Church, which would come later with the Apostle Paul.

Peter was a minister to Jews and Jewish proselytes.

“And St. Paul tells us that this new birth through baptism is salvific, stating that God “saved us, not because of deeds done by us in righteousness, but in virtue of his own mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewal in the Holy Spirit” (Titus 3:5).”

Tit 3:4 But after that the kindness and love of God our Saviour toward man appeared,
Tit 3:5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
Tit 3:6 Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour;
Tit 3:7 That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life.”

Re above Titus text, it’s washing OF regeneration, not washing of water.

“And again in 1 Peter 3:21: “Baptism . . . now saves you, not as a removal of dirt from the body but as an appeal to God for a clear conscience, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ.”

1Pe 3:18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:
1Pe 3:19 By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;
1Pe 3:20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.
1Pe 3:21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:

“This washing of regeneration (re-birth) through the waters of baptism was instituted by Christ as an instrument of salvation. God also used water as the instrumental cause of salvation for the eight people aboard Noah’s ark (1 Peter 3:20-21).”

Our Lord Jesus came to the Jews only. The Church that we know today was instituted by Christ Jesus using the Apostle Paul as the apostle of the Gentiles. How does the Apostle Paul instruct us to be saved? It’s one word only.


9 posted on 01/06/2023 2:40:42 PM PST by SouthernClaire (And though after my skin worms destroy this body, yet in my flesh shall I see God ~ Job)
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To: daniel1212

Precisely, Daniel.


10 posted on 01/06/2023 2:54:12 PM PST by SouthernClaire (And though after my skin worms destroy this body, yet in my flesh shall I see God ~ Job)
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To: SouthernClaire

Amen
Not only is it how we are saved it’s also the “work of God “


11 posted on 01/06/2023 3:13:13 PM PST by mitch5501 ("make your calling and election sure:for if ye do these things ye shall nevocer fall")
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To: mitch5501

That’s right, Mitch: God deserves ALL the credit.


12 posted on 01/06/2023 3:26:24 PM PST by SouthernClaire (And though after my skin worms destroy this body, yet in my flesh shall I see God ~ Job)
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To: mitch5501

Hey Mitch, summertime there now, right? 🤗 Summertime here, 365 day a year


13 posted on 01/06/2023 3:48:39 PM PST by Mark17 (Retired USAF air traffic controller. Father of USAF pilot. USAF aviation runs in the family )
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To: SouthernClaire

It’s baptism, and has been since the beginning.

https://www.catholic.com/magazine/print-edition/baptism-saves-you

And if you think that you don’t need baptism then you sure aren’t following Jesus’example, since he was baptized at the start of his ministry.

https://youtu.be/8ZOt7dbrpOY

Steve Ray explains this to Protestants the best.


14 posted on 01/06/2023 4:21:50 PM PST by Texas_Guy
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To: Texas_Guy

No need to argue it because we both are convinced of our position and, personally, I’m just not up to it at the moment. So, I shall bid you adieu and wish you a good evening.


15 posted on 01/06/2023 4:32:36 PM PST by SouthernClaire (And though after my skin worms destroy this body, yet in my flesh shall I see God ~ Job)
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