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Why you should (and probably already do) believe in limited atonement
Christian Post ^ | 05/24,2021 | Robin Schumacher

Posted on 05/24/2021 7:16:39 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

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To: the lone haranguer

The pivot point in Owens argument is that he presupposes that WE (mankind) have 3 rational choices...or else.

Anthrocentric theology is no theology at all.
- Stefanski

All theology is Christology.
- Scaer


41 posted on 05/24/2021 12:05:52 PM PDT by Cletus.D.Yokel (Patriots, stop looking at the politicians as enemies. Look at the complicit Legacy Media.)
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To: wbarmy

Read the Spugeon sermon I linked in my post #36. That should help you understand.


42 posted on 05/24/2021 12:07:55 PM PDT by WASCWatch ( WASC)
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To: Darth Gill

Those links present a Hyper-Calvinist viewpoint.

Even Calvin believed in common grace.


43 posted on 05/24/2021 12:10:28 PM PDT by WASCWatch ( WASC)
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To: MayflowerMadam

....or, how about the misguided Pastor has to GO... and the church gets back on the plumb line! ... ymmv


44 posted on 05/24/2021 12:13:46 PM PDT by PalominoGuy (a Republic, if you can keep it!)
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To: the lone haranguer

Read the Spugeon sermon link I posted in #36. Spurgeon is a Calvinist hero, but many Calvinist don’t want to accept what Spurgeon teaches on thi issue.


45 posted on 05/24/2021 12:14:00 PM PDT by WASCWatch ( WASC)
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To: Darth Gill
“Full 5 pointer here.. Limited atonement makes rational sense, but people cannot and will not believe unless the Spirit convinces them. Faith is a GIFT.”

The Spirit calls, but does not “convince” anyone.

I do not understand how “faith” can be a “gift.” Surely, it is not listed as a “spiritual gift” provided by the Holy Spirit, of which no one has all the gifts.

Of course, you could say one has the gift of tongues but has no gift of faith, but that seems inherently ingenuous to most people.

46 posted on 05/24/2021 12:20:34 PM PDT by ConservativeMind (Trump: Befuddling Democrats, Republicans, and the Media for the benefit of the US and all mankind.)
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To: ConservativeMind

You’re saying God’s will is thwarted. None of the passages I’ve quoted or you have quoted shows that.


47 posted on 05/24/2021 12:42:50 PM PDT by kosciusko51
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To: ConservativeMind
Does God call all to follow Him, or not?

If He commands all men everywhere to repent, then yes, He does call all to follow Him. And He provided the means by which anyone, no matter what status they are in life, can come to Him. There is no excuse for rejecting Christ.

Acts 17:26-27 From one man he made all the nations, that they should inhabit the whole earth; and he marked out their appointed times in history and the boundaries of their lands. God did this so that they would seek him and perhaps reach out for him and find him, though he is not far from any one of us.

Acts 17:29-31 Being then God's offspring, we ought not to think that the divine being is like gold or silver or stone, an image formed by the art and imagination of man. In the past God overlooked such ignorance, but now he commands all people everywhere to repent. For he has set a day when he will judge the world with justice by the man he has appointed. He has given proof of this to everyone by raising him from the dead.”

2 Peter 3:9 The Lord is not slow to fulfill his promise as some count slowness, but is patient towards you, not wishing that any should perish, but that all should reach repentance.

48 posted on 05/24/2021 12:55:36 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: kosciusko51

I never said God’s Will is “thwarted,” you did.

God literally wants everyone in the world to follow Him, but He knows they all won’t.

You claim God does not want everyone to follow God, which is a lie.


49 posted on 05/24/2021 1:11:18 PM PDT by ConservativeMind (Trump: Befuddling Democrats, Republicans, and the Media for the benefit of the US and all mankind.)
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To: ConservativeMind

No, I claimed that if God wills it, it will be done.


50 posted on 05/24/2021 1:39:18 PM PDT by kosciusko51
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To: ConservativeMind

As to your point, God knows who His sheep are and are not.


51 posted on 05/24/2021 1:40:57 PM PDT by kosciusko51
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To: PalominoGuy

That’s the best option. However, since the basics, distinctives of the denomination, theology, etc., haven’t been truly taught in decades, members don’t know what they don’t know. They don’t know the preacher is off the rails. Mom is the only one left with a solid Biblical foundation, and she has little power. She’s 96, and others don’t really listen to her much.

Satan is powerful.


52 posted on 05/24/2021 1:44:52 PM PDT by MayflowerMadam (Faith, not fear. Faith, not faintheartedness.)
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To: ConservativeMind
I never said God’s Will is “thwarted,” you did.

You did not use those words. You said, "In this way, not even God gets His Will." But that sounds like God's Will is thwarted.

53 posted on 05/24/2021 1:52:12 PM PDT by kosciusko51
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To: kosciusko51

Did God demand (Will) Adam and Eve to not eat the apple?

Did God get his Will, or are you going to tell us He never intended Adam and Eve to not eat that apple of sin, because he made them not follow Him?


54 posted on 05/24/2021 1:57:23 PM PDT by ConservativeMind (Trump: Befuddling Democrats, Republicans, and the Media for the benefit of the US and all mankind.)
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To: ConservativeMind

Was God surprised by Adam and Eve eating the fruit of Tree of Knowledge? Or did He know that they would?

Also, was salvation through Christ “Plan B”?


55 posted on 05/24/2021 2:06:10 PM PDT by kosciusko51
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To: kosciusko51

Again, I ask: Did God get his Will when Adam and Eve disobeyed his direct Command and ate the apple?


56 posted on 05/24/2021 2:09:24 PM PDT by ConservativeMind (Trump: Befuddling Democrats, Republicans, and the Media for the benefit of the US and all mankind.)
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To: ConservativeMind

Yes. Satan intended the fall for evil, but God used it for good and His glory. No different than Joseph’s brother selling him into slavery.

Christ’s atonement was never “Plan B”.


57 posted on 05/24/2021 2:13:46 PM PDT by kosciusko51
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To: kosciusko51

No, God did not get His Will when Adam and Eve disobeyed Him.


58 posted on 05/24/2021 2:29:46 PM PDT by ConservativeMind (Trump: Befuddling Democrats, Republicans, and the Media for the benefit of the US and all mankind.)
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To: ConservativeMind

So, are you saying the atonement was Plan B?


59 posted on 05/24/2021 2:31:59 PM PDT by kosciusko51
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To: kosciusko51
I have said nothing about “Plan B.”

Men like Abraham followed God joyously within the sin-laden world Adam and Eve left behind and without the Law. Noah came along and, despite the cleansing flood, sin still abounded. Maybe the flood was another “plan” (B?) that didn't clean the world as it should have. As Genesis 6:5–7 says, “The LORD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every intention of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. And the LORD regretted that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him to his heart. So the LORD said, ‘I will blot out man whom I have created from the face of the land, man and animals and creeping things and birds of the heavens, for I am sorry that I have made them.’”

Man failed God, man continued to fail God despite the Law, with which the Law was likely “Plan C.”

Each time, until Christ, we are told that God is saddened and regrets what He did or allowed to happen. So, no, God did not get what He demanded nor was He happy when Man kept sinning. God's Will keeps going unmet by Man not now glorifying God through following Christ.

God wants all to follow God, without exception, but He continues to not get what He wants. There are many examples of this in Scripture.

60 posted on 05/24/2021 2:57:06 PM PDT by ConservativeMind (Trump: Befuddling Democrats, Republicans, and the Media for the benefit of the US and all mankind.)
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