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To: Cronos; daniel1212
I know this might sound a bit insensitive, inflexible, and certainly not PC, but they are both false religions. There are no differences between the two.

There is only one way to God and that is through Jesus Christ. Any religion that denies Christ as the Son of God, as we're told, suppresses the truth.

Not a popular message for today but the truth never the less.

12 posted on 07/02/2020 6:19:50 AM PDT by HarleyD
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To: HarleyD; Cronos
I know this might sound a bit insensitive, inflexible, and certainly not PC, but they are both false religions. There are no differences between the two. There is only one way to God and that is through Jesus Christ. Any religion that denies Christ as the Son of God, as we're told, suppresses the truth. Not a popular message for today but the truth never the less.

But as a matter of degrees, Islam does not simply deny the incarnation and atoning death of the Divine Son of God and the institution of the promised new covenant, but presents a different Jesus and contrary accounts of what both the Hebrew and Christian scriptures teach. And we are in no way indebted to Islam, versus to the Jews, "Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen. (Romans 9:5) And who are yet beloved for their Father's sake, and await a reversing of the overall judicial blindness and of them (the remnant that is left) embracing Christ as their promised Messiah.

https://www.cia.gov/library/abbottabad-compound/05/05FE5F5794F40677F5E7497B2F765530_The%20Bible,The%20Qur%27an%20&%20Science.pdf

15 posted on 07/02/2020 8:20:01 PM PDT by daniel1212 (Trust the risen Lord Jesus to save you as a damned and destitute sinner + be baptized + follow Him)
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To: HarleyD

Harley — thank you for that comment. It was not insensitive.

I was looking for educated opinions and you’re the first person to voice it so far on this thread.

I know our Jewish friends, nay brothers, will say that to them, Christianity is false - and that makes sense from their religious point of view. We can agree to disagree with them

For me the revelation was understanding that post 2nd temple Judaism is from the Pharisee sect of 2nd temple Judaism and we Christians are from the Jesus-movement sect of 2nd temple Judaism.

That to me explains a lot of things:
1. Why the antagonism - it is a continuation of the 1st century when the two sects were fighting over adherents
2. Why the question about “didn’t Jews convert” - and the answer is “may did - may be even half as it wasn’t converting so much as following a sect of 2nd temple Judaism - the Jesus-movement sect”
3. How we should see the post 2nd temple Jews - as our elder brothers with whom we fundamentally disagree

And more importantly how we should see ourselves as Christians.

Islam, looking at it from a historical point of view is some Bedouin guys taking the aspects of Pharisaical Judaism and mereging it with Christian evangelism and Zoroastrian dualism and pagan Djinn etc. to create a compelling warriors religion.


17 posted on 07/03/2020 3:01:21 AM PDT by Cronos (Re-elect President Trump 2020!)
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To: HarleyD

For Islam I do see 3 significant changes from the Judeo-Christian narrative:
1. The replacement of Isaac with Ishmael (this is in an ahadith, not the Quran itself)
2. The addition of Djinn - that angels are made form light, humans form earth and djinn from First and that the snake in the garden was Iblis, a Djinn
3. The replacement of Jesus with Isa - this “Isa” character in the Quran does and says things that Jesus never did.

But I’m kinda hard pressed to see how Islam differs from Judaism besides the points I listed above


21 posted on 07/03/2020 5:12:10 AM PDT by Cronos (Re-elect President Trump 2020!)
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