And even if you are denied an annulment, Francis says you can still receive Holy Communion.
Posted on 06/10/2020 11:34:40 AM PDT by Salvation
Kinda like Serv Pro.
Like it never happened
Please watch the video to put it in church words.
Monsignor Pope Ping!
There really needs to be stronger marriage prep, starting with parents teaching and being models of a Christian marriage. Working on cases, I have seen so many people whose parents did not do their job.
“Annulment”
It’s what Kennedys do so they can have a Catholic Church Wedding.
My protestant relatives who have been married multiple times are fond of saying how they “won’t be lectured about marriage by a bunch of celibate old men.”
LOL.
These are invariably the same folks who claim Catholics don’t read the Bible.
Basically, annulment means that marriage was never a real marriage and sort of never happened. This would be the case if the couple never consummated the marriage, or if one of the parties did not want to have children, since children are the primary purpose of marriage. For example, if the husband always insisted on wearing a condom, or if the wife always insisted on taking birth control.
However, Vatican II has a whole different take on this, and a friend of mine whose husband had refused her children was not allowed to get an annulment on that basis.Even though that is the primary basis. She got it on psychological immaturity, which is nonexistent. Vatican II is not in favor of children and not in favor of marriage. Unless it’s gay.
bttt
Perhaps the Church should consider announcing and publishing the reasons for each annulment?
Civil marriage divorce is adjudicated in court and is a public record.
I realize that each individual values personal privacy, but acting as a legal and sacramental married couple is not a private matter.
I am not questioning the church’s decision or authority to do so, but having transparency may help understand the process and dispel the process as being a catholic divorce.
While I understand that if the marriage was not valid in the eyes of the church and time shouldn’t matter. It seems questionable that someone who was considered married for a long time and has children from that union should be able to have a later sacramental marriage. On the other hand God has wonderful mercy and He wants all to fully participate in the Body of Christ
I think you just blew out the Catholic Caucus designation.
Abalone!
Did the couple have intercourse? If so, the marriage is consummated.
Isaac saw Rebecca, took her into his tent and made her his wife. EOS.
God made them make and female and for this reason shall a man leave his father and mother and cleave to his wife and the two shall be one flesh.
I was speaking to an older women at church. She told me her name and
I remarked: "Oh I went to high school with a Susy Jones."
She answered: "My daughter went to that high school."
I said: "So how is Susy these days?"
She answered: "She's fine...now."
She continued. "Susy married a man who beat her. We BEGGED her to see a priest, but she wouldn't do it. They had five children and he continued to beat her knowing that Catholics can't divorce.
Finally Susy went to see a priest. He told her that her husband had no right to treat her that way. And he initiated an investigation."
Mary's mother continued: "It took two years of investigation but the priest discovered that her son-in-law had these intentions before he and Susy married."
The outcome was that the Church granted her an annulment because there had been NO valid marriage since the husband had never intended to 'love, honor and cherish' Mary.
The children were NOT illegitimate.
I paused, then asked, "How is Mary doing these days?"
Her mother answered: Oh, she married again and is SO happy. He's SUCH a nice guy and he ADORES her.
I said what was appropriate but thought: These things don't usually turn out so well. But, they did this time! GOOD FOR MY OLD HIGH SCHOOL CLASSMATE!!
Oops!
When I went thru RCIA & converted to Catholicism, we had a couple of long classes re: marriage/ annulment/ divorce.
We read all the Bible passages already mentioned in the OP, plus several others.
One that stuck in my head was “Render unto Caesar that which is Caesar’s, and to God, that which is God’s.”
The Deacon leading the class said, “Jesus wasn’t only talking about gold coins. This applies to everything having a divine & worldly aspect, including marriage. We Catholics call it HOLY matrimony because it must be rendered unto God.”
He went on to explain that signing the marriage license & filing it in the courthouse is only about property & inheritance rights; the *real* marriage is the sacramental one.
THEN he explained that this courthouse stuff is tied to the worldly notion of “illegitimate” children, but in God’s eyes, no child is illegitimate, regardless of Caesar’s approval or not.
He said the idea of a need for abortion is rooted in the idea of marriage being a mostly property arrangement, and divorce as a casting off of the wife as if she is disposable property; women shamed for out of wedlock children came to regard those “illegitimate” children in the same way, disposable. But God does not regard us as Caesar does. We are worth so much more to God, and we must foremost honor God as we act accordingly toward spouse and children.
Anyway, your comment about “secular half-hearted promise.. in Vegas or the courthouse”
reminded me of the “Render unto Caesar” passage.
Sorry for the rambling.
Whether or not a marriage has been “consummated” does not solely determine its validity (Catholic).
That’s kinda the point. If the putative “marriage” wasn’t valid from the inception, it never happened in the eyes of God.
And, that’s what the Church is trying to discern.
And even if you are denied an annulment, Francis says you can still receive Holy Communion.
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