Posted on 01/11/2020 2:00:11 PM PST by CondoleezzaProtege
Marriage was instituted by God with Adam and Eve, one man, one woman and was given to all races. After the fall of man, marriage got all screwed up, and the devil has been at war on marriage and families ever since. When Jesus came he did something new for those who believed in him. He made marriage a sacrament.
If non-Christians get married it is a "natural marriage." It is valid but it is not a sacrament. When Christians get married properly, there is a special kind of power from the Holy Spirit that lands on them and permanently seals the marriage until death and gives them Grace to live out their vows. This is the sacrament of marriage, an "indelible" seal, which can never be broken, regardless of any decree from any human authority, including the Church or even the pope himself...
What's the difference between an annulment and a divorce? In a divorce, there is an assertion that the marriage was valid when it occurred but now it is broken. An annulment determines whether the marriage actually took place in the sacramental realm...The whole question of annulment has to do with the sacramental nature of the marriage.
In the natural realm, of course a marriage took place...There was a marriage contract that went to the city hall. In fact, the civil marriage has to be ended with divorce by the civil authorities before the Church will even begin considering if the sacramental nature of the marriage is null.
An annulment means that the conditions required by God for it to be a true sacrament were not present when the wedding was performed, and therefore it was not a Christian marriage.
(Excerpt) Read more at catholicbridge.com ...
I never understood this reasoning. I recall during the debates over same sex marriage, that proponents sometimes said “straights have messed up marriage” , and talked about the high divorce rate, and isses with child custody.
I never understood how problems with traditional marriage meant that we must allow homosexual marriage as some improvement, but that argument was made.
Never in Scripture, and marriage was first given to Adam and Eve, long before Christianity.
When Christians get married properly, there is a special kind of power from the Holy Spirit that lands on them and permanently seals the marriage until death and gives them Grace to live out their vows.
Never in Scripture.
If non-Christians get married it is a "natural marriage." It is valid but it is not a sacrament.
Never in Scripture.
With the advent of the widespread use of contraception, the procreative dimension was removed from sex. And increasingly, sex and marriage became disassociated. You can have the former without the latter.
If marriage means nothing more than two people ‘falling in love’ (and then divorcing when out of it) then it is rendered virtually meaningless. And if openness to children are not part of the equation, then even non-heterosexuals can partake.
That’s why our culture has devolved to the point it is in now.
For starters...
Re: difference in nature of marriage between Christians and that of non believers...
1 Cor 7:14 For the unbelieving husband has been sanctified through his wife, and the unbelieving wife has been sanctified through her believing husband. Otherwise your children would be unclean, but as it is, they are holy.
2 Cor 6:14 Do not be yoked together with unbelievers. For what do righteousness and wickedness have in common? Or what fellowship can light have with darkness?
Secondly:
Re: indelible seal of marriage
Matthew 19:8 Jesus replied, “Moses permitted you to divorce your wives because your hearts were hard. But it was not this way from the beginning.”
Ephesians 5: 25 Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her 26 to make her holy...
31 “For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh.” 32 This is a profound mystery—but I am talking about Christ and the church.
CP,
1 Cor 7:14 God blesses the unbelieving spouse through the believing spouse
2 Cor 6:14 Believers should not marry unbelievers.
Nothing addresses the simple points in my original post.
None of those passages teach there is an indelible seal on marriage.
I am not a Roman Catholic, but I do think that many evangelicals and other Protestants have failed to realize the sacred and serious nature of matrimony. Divorce SHOULD be a very rare thing in the Christian realm. However, I also believe the Roman church has gone too far in its prohibition on divorce. Jesus clearly taught that divorce is permissible in the case of infidelity, and the Apostle Paul also said that if an unbelieving spouse flees, then divorce is also valid.
“I am not a Roman Catholic, but I do think that many evangelicals and other Protestants have failed to realize the sacred and serious nature of matrimony. Divorce SHOULD be a very rare thing in the Christian realm. However, I also believe the Roman church has gone too far in its prohibition on divorce. Jesus clearly taught that divorce is permissible in the case of infidelity, and the Apostle Paul also said that if an unbelieving spouse flees, then divorce is also valid.”
Right on. Right on.
Where can I read about Paul's reference? Thanks.
take a look at Matthew 5:31-32 for starters ...
But I thought . . .
Never mind.
One way to explain it...
Someone, outside yourself and outside civil governments, must define a valid marriage, which is necessary to define what is adultery or not, that is what is SIN or not.
And this implies a “blessing”, a positive, as such a protection against sin.
The only way to give this blessing to a couple is by a group of people, that is, a Church, aided by the Holy Spirit.
This derives from Matthew (and other places): “And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.”
In Matthew. In Mark 10 Jesus gives no permissible reasons for divorce.
I think you mean the prohibition of remarriage after a civil divorce. Catholics can get divorced by the state. They are then prohibited from being married again in the Church.
I like that they don’t get their definition of marriage from the state. To the state in the modern era marriage can only be defined by whatever judges, pols, or the voting public happen to think it is at any one time. It doesn’t have any other way to define it.
Freegards
“ Someone, outside yourself and outside civil governments, must define a valid marriage, which is necessary to define what is adultery or not, that is what is SIN or not.”
Civil governments legally define a marriage.
“ This derives from Matthew (and other places): “And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.”
This passage has nothing to do with marriage.
Long before the church existed, God blessed marriages.
“ In Matthew. In Mark 10 Jesus gives no permissible reasons for divorce.
This is why we have the complete Bible and not select verses...
So your civil government (such as Soviet Russia, Mao’s China, California, Idi Amin’s Uganda, etc.) should define whether couples are committing adultery or not?
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