Our Lady of Fatima Taking Her Place in St. Petersburg [Russia]

FSSPX News ^ | 9/30/10

[aMorePerfectUnion]

I will take the opportunity to remind you gently, again, about this: Catholicism has never taught Mary to be a demigoddess.

I will gently remind you that I did not say Catholicism "teaches" that Mary is a demigoddess.

I stated that Catholicism has "made her into" a demigodess, via false titles and false god-like powers.

(Elsie, might you have the list of false titles Catholicism has given to Mary?)

But why would we honor her, except all the better to honor Him, who "has done great things for her"?

Actually, Catholicism makes less of Christ - the meaning of His sacrifice for salvation, and His power to keep those He saves - and makes far, far, far more about Mary that God never said nor implied.

It would not be humanly possible to honor Mary more than God has already honored her.

I can't imagine any statement more false.

Through His heavenly Archangel ambassador, He revealed the title she has in heaven: the full-of-grace Kecharitomene.

Not a title.

He gave us the long-awaited Messiah as Son of Mary, the "seed of the woman" (Ge. 3:15).

Christ is the seed of the woman and the woman in Genesis is not Mary.

He gave His mother an empathy so complete that, as prophesized, the sword which pieced Him pierced her heart also (Luke 2:35).

Now, you may want to actually believe this, but Scripture doesn't say this.

First, Christ was pierced with a spear, not a sword.

And indeed, the Luke passage says absolutely nothing about Christ being pierced. You added that.

The passage says "a" sword will pierce Mary's soul. Not literally, but figuratively.

And not the spear used on Christ.

He moved her to be at the foot of the Cross, where, with the Beloved Disciple, Mary's sister, Mary wife of Clopas, and Mary Magdalene, that little group constituted at that moment, the Church (for the Church is at the foot of the Cross). And that is where Christ gave His mother a son, and gave His Church a mother. (John 19:26-27)

Here again, the Mrs. Don-o translation of the even has little in common with the Scripture, which says Christ named John as the son of Mary and Mary as the mother of John.

It doesn't say remotely that Mary became the mother of anyone else. It simply isn't there. You added it, by saying the "Church is at the foot of the cross."

Which, I guess if Scripture doesn't say what you wish it does, you use trickery to add things and backfill what you believe. In this instance, you did this, adding to the Words of Christ.

Christ willed that she be in the Upper Room to receive the Holy Spirit AGAIN at Pentecost (Acts 1:14)--- she who had received Him once when she conceived what seems inconceivable: the Eternal One in time, the Infinite One in space.

Mary and the disciples received the Spirit *permanently* at time, once Christ ascended to the Father. This fulfilled His words. There is nothing unique about Mary in this passage.

It was Redeemer who constituted His Mother as MOther of all the redeemed:

No.

"The dragon became angry with the woman and went away to do battle against the rest of her children, the ones who keep God’s commandments and hold on to the testimony about Jesus." (Revelation 12:17)

Here, you've been corrected numerous times when you made the claim that the woman in Rev. 12 was Mary.

To believe this, one must ignore the entire context of Revelation - and this seems to be another case of "see and say" method of bible reading. One sees a word and assumes this word: means the same every time it is used, confirms what one already believed, etc.

That is what you are doing with this passage in Revelation that is about Satan's persecution of Israel.

Mother of this royal Son! Mother of "a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, His own special people (1 Peter 2:9) !

WHY are you adding words to this passage?????

It doesn't mention Mary at all. Nor does it say Mary is the "mother" of anything. It isn't there.

Can any earthly title compare with what she has received from Her Savior, her Lord and her God?

She received not title, but she did receive a special blessing of being bearer of Messiah. She is blessed AMONG WOMEN and not above any.

[2nd amendment mama]

Mary is the mother of God

Correction, Mary is the mother of Jesus. If she was God's "mother" that would mean that she came before God and that's NOT possible because God created everything.

[Luircin]

See what I mean?

All I do is say I’m not gonna pray to Mary and you Catholics are all up in my business.

Thank you for proving my point, Al.

[Luircin]

PS: I appreciate that you, unlike every other Catholic, actually looks at our confessional documents.

Unfortunately, two of the three of those are NOT, in fact, in our confessional documents, so I’d have to give you an F on that assignment.

Now buzz off.

[Al Hitan]

I’d have to give you an F on that assignment.

There was no assignment, just a quote from an LCMS pastor. But you are welcome to fantasize if it helps you to feel better about yourself.

[Al Hitan]

All I do is say I’m not gonna pray to Mary

Well, no that's not what you said.

and you Catholics are all up in my business.

No, that was an LCMS pastor "all up in your business". Apologies if it hurts.

[Al Hitan]

Correction, Mary is the mother of Jesus.

I was quoting an LCMS pastor. I don't feel like rehashing the heresy of Nestorianism this evening, but you are free to contact the pastor if you like.

[Elsie]

Many Russians have a great devotion to Our Lady of Fatima, who interceded for the conversion of Russia during the Communist persecution,

SHE did??

How many divisions did she command?

[Elsie]

One step on the way to World Peace, as Our Lady promised.

Your lady 'promised' LOTS of stuff; didn't she?

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The 15 promises

(Given to St. Dominic and Blessed Alan de la Roche)

1	Whoever shall faithfully serve me by the recitation of the Rosary, shall receive powerful graces.
2.	I promise my special protection and the greatest graces to all those who shall recite the Rosary.
3.	The Rosary shall be a powerful armor against hell, it will destroy vice, decrease sin, and defeat heresies
4.	It will cause virtue and good works to flourish; it will obtain for souls the abundant mercy of God; it will withdraw the hearts of people from the love of the world and its vanities, and will lift them to the desire of eternal things. Oh, that souls would sanctify themselves by this means.
5.	The soul which recommends itself to me by the recitation of the Rosary, shall not perish.
6.	Whoever shall recite the Rosary devoutly, applying Himself to the consideration of its Sacred Mysteries shall never be conquered by misfortune. God will not chastise Him in His justice, he shall not perish by an unprovided death; if he be just, he shall remain in the grace of God, and become worthy of eternal life.
7.	Whoever shall have a true devotion for the Rosary shall not die without the Sacraments of the Church.
8.	Those who are faithful to recite the Rosary shall have during their life and at their death the light of God and the plentitude of His graces; at the moment of death they shall participate in the merits of the Saints in Paradise.
9.	I  shall deliver from purgatory those who have been devoted to the Rosary.
10.	The faithful children of the Rosary shall merit a high degree of glory in Heaven.
11.	You shall obtain all you ask of me by the recitation of the Rosary.
12.	All those who propagate the Holy Rosary shall be aided by me in their necessities.
13.	I  have obtained from my Divine Son that all the advocates of the Rosary shall have for intercessors the entire celestial court during their life and at the hour of death
14.	All who recite the Rosary are my children, and brothers and sisters of my only Son, Jesus Christ.
15.	Devotion of my Rosary is a great sign of predestination.

 

"The Most Holy Virgin in these last times in which we live has given a new efficacy to the recitation of the Rosary to such an extent that there is no problem,

no matter how difficult it is, wheter temporal or above all spiritual, in the personal life of each one of us, of our families...that cannot be solved by the Rosary.

There is no problem, I tell you, no matter how difficult it is, that we cannot resolve by the prayer of the Holy Rosary."

Sister Lucia dos Santos

[Elsie]

why do you have to post and bother us.

Good Question; Lord Faarquaad.

"One indeed is the universal Church of the faithful, outside which no one at all is saved, in which the priest himself is the sacrifice, Jesus Christ, whose body and blood are truly contained in the sacrament of the altar under the species of bread and wine; the bread (changed) into His body by the divine power of transubstantiation, and the wine into the blood, so that to accomplish the mystery of unity we ourselves receive from His (nature) what He Himself received from ours."

--Pope Innocent III and Lateran Council IV (A.D. 1215)

 

 

 "We are compelled in virtue of our faith to believe and maintain that there is only one holy Catholic Church, and that one is apostolic. This we firmly believe and profess without qualification. Outside this Church there is no salvation and no remission of sins, the Spouse in the Canticle proclaiming: 'One is my dove, my perfect one. One is she of her mother, the chosen of her that bore her' (Canticle of Canticles 6:8); which represents the one mystical body whose head is Christ, of Christ indeed, as God. And in this, 'one Lord, one faith, one baptism' (Ephesians 4:5). Certainly Noah had one ark at the time of the flood, prefiguring one Church which perfect to one cubit having one ruler and guide, namely Noah, outside of which we read all living things were destroyed… We declare, say, define, and pronounce that it is absolutely necessary for the salvation of every human creature to be subject to the Roman Pontiff."

--Pope Boniface VIII, Bull Unam sanctam (A.D. 1302)

[Elsie]

Always ready with the reflex insult! It follows as the night the day!

Yup; that pretty much defines an FR Catholic all right: one who has NOTHING but scorn for their current leader.

What feckless, faithless fanatics you all are.

[Elsie]

Our Lady of Fatima, Pray for Us!!

SURELY you could do better than THIS!!

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Oh Holy Untier of Knots; remove these pesky PROTS permanently from our presence as you did save the Russians.

[Elsie]

Sorry; your Roman rulers have instilled a DIFFERENT message:

"Do whatever I tell you!"

[Elsie]

The more I am immersed n the Word, the more I am fascinated by what Scripture reveals, from Genesis to Revelation, about this enemy of the Serpent, this full-of-grace Lady, His mother and ours.

The more you listen to Rome's explanations; the less you'll find about her in Scripture at all.

Rome's 'Mary' is NOT my 'mother'; nor yours.

[Elsie]

When I got to Mary, one little girl said with great enthusiasm. "She is the Mother of God!"

Ah, out of the mouths of babes!

[Elsie]

I will take the opportunity to remind you gently, again, about this: Catholicism has never taught Mary to be a demigoddess.

Yet Rome ALLOWS it's members to BELIEVE that she has these superpowers that only a GOD is capable of exercising.

Why?

[Elsie]

The difficulty here, is the impulse to separate Jesus from Mary and then set them against each other, as if they were rivals, competitors.

But Rome HAS tied them so closely together!

Why do you Catholics buy into that??

Rome has SURELY 'taught' you something!!

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We PROTs find it strange; that After John receives her as HIS mother; we never hear from her again in the Bible.

[Elsie]

Is she in heaven, do you suppose?

According to the Book Rome gave the world: no.

She is as 'dead in Christ' as the publican who said, "Have mercy on me."

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ALL shall appear before the judgement seat of Christ.

[Elsie]

She is “Our Life, Our Sweetness, and Our Hope.”

And then some...

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The way it's written:

 

Galatians 4:4-5

But when the set time had fully come, God sent his Son, born of a woman, born under the law, ⁵ to redeem those under the law, that we might receive adoption to sonship.

 

 

 

The way Rome teaches it:

 

Galatians 4:4-5

But when the set time had fully come, God sent his Son, born of a....

 

Co-Redemptrix, 
Ark of the Covenant,

Beloved daughter of the Father,
Favoured Daughter of the Father,

Cause of Our Joy,

Cause of our Salvation ,
Comfort of the Afflicted,
Destroyer of Heresy,
Ever-virgin ,
Gate of Heaven,
God-bearer,

Great Mother,
Health of the Sick,

Heavenly Chariot,
Help of Christians,
Holy Mary,
Holy Mother of God,
Holy Virgin of Virgins,
House of Gold,
Joy of the Just,
Majesty,
Mirror of Justice,
Morning Star,
Most Holy,
Mother Admirable,
Mother Inviolate,
Mother Most Amiable,
Mother Most Chaste,
Mother Most Pure,
Mother of Christ,
Mother of Divine Grace,
Mother of God,
Mother of Good Counsel,
Mother of Mercy,
Mother of Orphans,
Mother of Our Creator,
Mother of Our Redeemer,
Mother of Sorrows,
Mother of the Church,
Mother of the Poor,
Mother of the Word,

Mother of the Word Incarnate,
Mother Thrice Admirable,
Mother Undefiled,
Mystical Rose,
Nova Eva (the New Eve),
Our Lady of Compassion,
Our Lady of Confidence,
Our Lady of Victory,
Our Lady, Star of the Sea,
Our Mother of Perpetual Help,
Queen Assumed Into Heaven,
Queen Conceived Without Original Sin,
Queen of All Saints,
Queen of Angels,
Queen of Apostles,
Queen of Confessors,
Queen of Families,
Queen of Heaven,
Queen of Martyrs,
Queen of Patriarchs,
Queen of Peace,
Queen of Prophets,
Queen of the Most Holy Rosary,
Queen of Virgins,
Ravisher of Hearts,
Refuge of Sinners,

Resplendant car,
Seat of Wisdom,
She Who Shows the Way,
Singular Vessel of Devotion,
Spiritual Vessel,

Spouse of the Holy Spirit,

Sovereign Mistress of the Angels, 
Tabernacle of the Lord,

Temple of the Holy Spirit,
Temple of the Most Holy Trinity,
Throne of Wisdom,
Tower of David,
Tower of Ivory,
Treasure House of God's Graces,
Untier of Knots,
Vessel of Honor,
Virgin God-bearer,
Virgin Most Faithful,
Virgin Most Merciful,
Virgin Most Powerful,
Virgin Most Prudent,
Virgin Most Renowned,
Virgin Most Venerable

Virgin of virgins,                           born under the law, ⁵ to HELP redeem those under the law, that we might receive adoption to sonship; sooner or later; and not spend TOO much time in Purgatory.

 

 

 

[Campion]

Jesus gave Mary to John's household...and only John. No one else.

If it's just a private arrangement, why is it included in what John says he wrote "that you may have life in [Jesus] name".

"Every Scripture is God-breathed and profitable for instruction in righteousness" except this one, which inexplicably relates a private arrangement? And WE'RE being accused of eisegesis? LOL ...