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One widening Pope Francis and Paglia envision is a rejection of absolute norms regarding human life and a redefinition of what it means.

[Francis] warns us that it is risky to look at human life in a way that detaches it from experience and reduces it to biology or to an abstract universal, separated from relationships and history,” Paglia said.

Here we go again with Bernadin's "seamless garment".

1 posted on 09/09/2019 8:29:09 AM PDT by ebb tide
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2 posted on 09/09/2019 8:29:39 AM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome)
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To: ebb tide

Not sure how he thinks he can “redefine life”. But any redef of human life can’t be a move in a good direction (since the church understands and teaches it’s sanctity as a gift from our Creator -however - I pray Francis isn’t planning to reject that gift ?)


3 posted on 09/09/2019 8:41:35 AM PDT by faithhopecharity ( “Politicians are not born; they are excreted.” Marcus Tullius Cicero (106 to 43 BCE))
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To: ebb tide

For a moment there I thought it was Camille Paglia and I was briefly heartened. I’d trust her before any of these folks.


4 posted on 09/09/2019 8:41:57 AM PDT by edwinland
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To: ebb tide
From here it is a small step to

Life unworthy of life.

5 posted on 09/09/2019 8:45:48 AM PDT by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit)
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To: ebb tide

The new and improved Christianity, still under development. Don’t get to comfortable with your current definition of life, love, sin, or virtue. We are informing God of our new rules, and if he doesn’t comply we’ll find a new one. I’m sure he will, however, if he wants to stay popular.


6 posted on 09/09/2019 8:46:25 AM PDT by Telepathic Intruder
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To: ebb tide

Yeah, I’m thinking they are trying to find a way to deprecate some or all of Humane Vitae and Catholic orthodoxy on life. They seem to be trying to either find loopholes or generate loopholes out of whole cloth, much like the “penumbras” and “emanations” that were magically discovered by SCOTUS.


7 posted on 09/09/2019 8:46:46 AM PDT by Crolis ("To have a right to do a thing is not at all the same as to be right in doing it." -GKC)
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To: ebb tide

Hey pope! If you’re going to give a new definition of life, you first have to give a current definition. This was not done.
So, pope, listen to me, I know it’s hard. Define life. Hint. St Thomas of Aquinas did, as well as any one can do and has ever done. Didn’t they teach you about him in seminary?

Try this google search:
st thomas aquinas life immanent action

It returns several sites which you can go to, if you can take time away from kissing imams, and read up on what St Thomas of Aquinas said about life.


8 posted on 09/09/2019 8:47:36 AM PDT by I want the USA back (The further a society drifts from the truth, the more it will hate those who speak it. Orwell.)
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To: ebb tide
“our dialogue with others who do not share our understanding of God’s fruitful love and of the nature of the human family and its challenges, does not mean that we are abandoning Catholic orthodoxy.”

Of course, it doesn’t mean that they aren’t, either.
9 posted on 09/09/2019 8:57:54 AM PDT by Dr. Sivana ("...a choice between Woke-fevered Democrats and Koch-funded Republicans is insufficient."-Mark Steyn)
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To: ebb tide

Does a bear crap in the woods? Yep

Does a politician lie? Of course

Is the pope Catholic? Used to be


11 posted on 09/09/2019 9:00:55 AM PDT by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60s........you weren't really there)
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To: ebb tide

“redefine life”

AKA = redefine conception


13 posted on 09/09/2019 9:10:09 AM PDT by BBQToadRibs
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To: ebb tide

I can see Pope Francis sitting on Satan’s Knee, like a puppet, spewing all of Satan’s Evil in the name of Catholicism’s Doctrine????


14 posted on 09/09/2019 9:30:00 AM PDT by zbogwan2
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Am I just dense, or is this deliberately incomprehensible?

Redefine life - as what? Less abstract and more personal - how? Broader - than what, to what?


16 posted on 09/09/2019 11:11:55 AM PDT by Marchmain (peace...pax)
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The headline is chilling.

Corrupting the language has allowed the Radical Left to advance rapidly over the past few decades.


17 posted on 09/09/2019 11:54:33 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog (Patrick Henry would have been an anti-vaxxer.)
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The gutted and repurposed Vatican Academy for Life admonished Catholics over the weekend to cut the “gossip” on the Church’s sexual abuse scandal and trust the Vatican’s handling of the crisis. . .Archbishop Vincenzo Paglia, the archbishop who commissioned a homoerotic mural for his cathedral, heads the Pontifical Academy for Life (La Pontificia Accademia per la Vita/the PAV). Paglia paid a homosexual artist to paint a homoerotic mural in his cathedral church of the Diocese of Terni-Narni-Amelia in 2007. The mural includes an image of a half-naked Paglia himself. It portrays Jesus carrying nets to heaven filled with naked and semi-nude homosexuals, transsexuals, prostitutes and drug dealers, tangled together in erotic interactions. Paglia, then diocesan bishop, is one of the tangled, netted figures. The image of Christ is painted with the face of a local male hairdresser, with his private parts visible through his translucent clothing. [Cath Cauc] Vatican Life Academy tells Catholics to ‘stop gossip, trust Holy See’ on abuse crisis
18 posted on 09/09/2019 11:55:44 AM PDT by Fedora
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“[Francis] warns us that it is risky to look at human life in a way that detaches it from experience and reduces it to biology or to an abstract universal, separated from relationships and history,” Paglia said.

I'm no theologian, but it sounds like they want to move away from concepts like "the fetus is alive".

If a baby needs to have "experiences" and "relationships" and "history" in order to be "alive", then abortion right up to delivery would seem to be fine.

Conversely, if we avoid "abstract universals" and if we resist the urge to define life in "biological" terms, then, again, it makes abortion so much easier. Assisted suicide too.

20 posted on 09/09/2019 12:01:42 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy (If White Privilege is real, why did Elizabeth Warren lie about being an Indian?)
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You are saved in the faith... But either Alive before death. Wonder what the antitrust Pope is DOWN (Hell eagerly awaits his arrival)


21 posted on 09/09/2019 5:52:49 PM PDT by Jumper
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