One widening Pope Francis and Paglia envision is a rejection of absolute norms regarding human life and a redefinition of what it means.
[Francis] warns us that it is risky to look at human life in a way that detaches it from experience and reduces it to biology or to an abstract universal, separated from relationships and history, Paglia said.
Here we go again with Bernadin's "seamless garment".
1 posted on
09/09/2019 8:29:09 AM PDT by
ebb tide
To: Al Hitan; Coleus; DuncanWaring; ebb tide; Fedora; irishjuggler; Jaded; JoeFromSidney; kalee; ...
2 posted on
09/09/2019 8:29:39 AM PDT by
ebb tide
(We have a rogue curia in Rome)
To: ebb tide
Not sure how he thinks he can redefine life. But any redef of human life cant be a move in a good direction (since the church understands and teaches its sanctity as a gift from our Creator -however - I pray Francis isnt planning to reject that gift ?)
3 posted on
09/09/2019 8:41:35 AM PDT by
faithhopecharity
( “Politicians are not born; they are excreted.” Marcus Tullius Cicero (106 to 43 BCE))
To: ebb tide
For a moment there I thought it was Camille Paglia and I was briefly heartened. I’d trust her before any of these folks.
4 posted on
09/09/2019 8:41:57 AM PDT by
edwinland
To: ebb tide
5 posted on
09/09/2019 8:45:48 AM PDT by
Pontiac
(The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit)
To: ebb tide
The new and improved Christianity, still under development. Don’t get to comfortable with your current definition of life, love, sin, or virtue. We are informing God of our new rules, and if he doesn’t comply we’ll find a new one. I’m sure he will, however, if he wants to stay popular.
To: ebb tide
Yeah, I’m thinking they are trying to find a way to deprecate some or all of Humane Vitae and Catholic orthodoxy on life. They seem to be trying to either find loopholes or generate loopholes out of whole cloth, much like the “penumbras” and “emanations” that were magically discovered by SCOTUS.
7 posted on
09/09/2019 8:46:46 AM PDT by
Crolis
("To have a right to do a thing is not at all the same as to be right in doing it." -GKC)
To: ebb tide
Hey pope! If you’re going to give a new definition of life, you first have to give a current definition. This was not done.
So, pope, listen to me, I know it’s hard. Define life. Hint. St Thomas of Aquinas did, as well as any one can do and has ever done. Didn’t they teach you about him in seminary?
Try this google search:
st thomas aquinas life immanent action
It returns several sites which you can go to, if you can take time away from kissing imams, and read up on what St Thomas of Aquinas said about life.
8 posted on
09/09/2019 8:47:36 AM PDT by
I want the USA back
(The further a society drifts from the truth, the more it will hate those who speak it. Orwell.)
To: ebb tide
our dialogue with others who do not share our understanding of Gods fruitful love and of the nature of the human family and its challenges, does not mean that we are abandoning Catholic orthodoxy.
Of course, it doesnt mean that they arent, either.
9 posted on
09/09/2019 8:57:54 AM PDT by
Dr. Sivana
("...a choice between Woke-fevered Democrats and Koch-funded Republicans is insufficient."-Mark Steyn)
To: ebb tide
Does a bear crap in the woods? Yep
Does a politician lie? Of course
Is the pope Catholic? Used to be
11 posted on
09/09/2019 9:00:55 AM PDT by
ChildOfThe60s
(If you can remember the 60s........you weren't really there)
To: ebb tide
redefine life
AKA = redefine conception
To: ebb tide
I can see Pope Francis sitting on Satan’s Knee, like a puppet, spewing all of Satan’s Evil in the name of Catholicism’s Doctrine????
14 posted on
09/09/2019 9:30:00 AM PDT by
zbogwan2
To: ebb tide
Am I just dense, or is this deliberately incomprehensible?
Redefine life - as what? Less abstract and more personal - how? Broader - than what, to what?
16 posted on
09/09/2019 11:11:55 AM PDT by
Marchmain
(peace...pax)
To: ebb tide
The headline is chilling.
Corrupting the language has allowed the Radical Left to advance rapidly over the past few decades.
17 posted on
09/09/2019 11:54:33 AM PDT by
Buckeye McFrog
(Patrick Henry would have been an anti-vaxxer.)
To: ebb tide
The gutted and repurposed Vatican Academy for Life admonished Catholics over the weekend to cut the gossip on the Churchs sexual abuse scandal and trust the Vaticans handling of the crisis. . .Archbishop Vincenzo Paglia, the archbishop who commissioned a homoerotic mural for his cathedral, heads the Pontifical Academy for Life (La Pontificia Accademia per la Vita/the PAV). Paglia paid a homosexual artist to paint a homoerotic mural in his cathedral church of the Diocese of Terni-Narni-Amelia in 2007. The mural includes an image of a half-naked Paglia himself. It portrays Jesus carrying nets to heaven filled with naked and semi-nude homosexuals, transsexuals, prostitutes and drug dealers, tangled together in erotic interactions. Paglia, then diocesan bishop, is one of the tangled, netted figures. The image of Christ is painted with the face of a local male hairdresser, with his private parts visible through his translucent clothing. [Cath Cauc] Vatican Life Academy tells Catholics to stop gossip, trust Holy See on abuse crisis
18 posted on
09/09/2019 11:55:44 AM PDT by
Fedora
To: ebb tide
[Francis] warns us that it is risky to look at human life in a way that detaches it from experience and reduces it to biology or to an abstract universal, separated from relationships and history, Paglia said. I'm no theologian, but it sounds like they want to move away from concepts like "the fetus is alive".
If a baby needs to have "experiences" and "relationships" and "history" in order to be "alive", then abortion right up to delivery would seem to be fine.
Conversely, if we avoid "abstract universals" and if we resist the urge to define life in "biological" terms, then, again, it makes abortion so much easier. Assisted suicide too.
20 posted on
09/09/2019 12:01:42 PM PDT by
ClearCase_guy
(If White Privilege is real, why did Elizabeth Warren lie about being an Indian?)
To: ebb tide
You are saved in the faith... But either Alive before death. Wonder what the antitrust Pope is DOWN (Hell eagerly awaits his arrival)
21 posted on
09/09/2019 5:52:49 PM PDT by
Jumper
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