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Recently Discovered: 1700-Year-Old Letter Unveiling How Christians Lived Centuries Ago
GODTV ^ | 07/22/2019 | Rhoda Gayle

Posted on 07/23/2019 9:37:41 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

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To: mikeus_maximus

“Pope” or papa or father is a human invention, but the office of “Pope” while perhaps called by a different name was given personally by Christ Himself to Peter. I’m not Catholic and have very little respect for the current Pope but i do have respect for what the office is.


41 posted on 07/23/2019 11:13:02 AM PDT by JAKraig (my religion is at least as good as yours)
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To: mikeus_maximus

“Pope” or papa or father is a human invention, but the office of “Pope” while perhaps called by a different name was given personally by Christ Himself to Peter. I’m not Catholic and have very little respect for the current Pope but i do have respect for what the office is.


42 posted on 07/23/2019 11:13:03 AM PDT by JAKraig (my religion is at least as good as yours)
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To: SeekAndFind

I’ve never seen fish liver sauce in the Asian market.


43 posted on 07/23/2019 11:13:51 AM PDT by Rebelbase
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To: mikeus_maximus
“Neither is Sola Scriptura.”

It would be odd if it did, since that was the common and unquestioned understanding of scriptures in the first few centuries. Why state the obvious?

I am afraid that you are projecting 16th century Protestant ideas onto the early church. First, writings of the early Church Fathers show a fully developed hierarchical and authoritative church (see St. Ignatius of Antioch). Second, the Arian controversy clearly demonstrates that the early Christians relied on the constant teaching of the Church, and were not dependent on Sola Scriptura. It was the Arians who rejected church Tradition and claimed Sola Scriptura as the authority for their heresy. Finally, the definitive canon of the Bible was not determined until the 4th century (and this by the bishops and the pope), making even a theoretical Sola Scriptura impossible.

44 posted on 07/23/2019 11:16:00 AM PDT by Petrosius
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To: Hoosier-Daddy

Might have been a situation he was in before he got saved...so what does he do, he can’t get rid of all of them, he is responsible for all of them and that it would be unjust to dump all but “one wife”. So as a Christian he has to stay in the situation he got saved in(if he was legally wedded to them) as his family (with possible kids) would need him.

It might be, because of situations like this that the Bible cites as part of the desirable traits of a church leader that he be the husband of “only one wife”!


45 posted on 07/23/2019 11:25:44 AM PDT by mdmathis6
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To: Red Badger; StayAt HomeMother; Ernest_at_the_Beach; 1ofmanyfree; 21twelve; 24Karet; ...
Thanks Red Badger.

46 posted on 07/23/2019 11:36:42 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

LOLOLOLOL.You must have eaten your fish on Fridays to be so smart. Lol. A friend of mine said Catholics are the smartest because they had to eat Fish on Fridays. Most Catholics on the Supreme Court lay waste to that unscientific fact, but plays well with picky kids.


47 posted on 07/23/2019 11:56:13 AM PDT by amihow
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To: mikeus_maximus
Conversely, if there had been a pope between the writer and the Lord, you’d think he would pay homage

Because, of course, no Catholic has ever written a personal letter to a family member without "paying homage" to the Pope. /s /s /s

Stop and think a bit about the silliness of what you're writing.

48 posted on 07/23/2019 11:56:57 AM PDT by Campion ((marine dad))
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To: mikeus_maximus
"It would be odd if it did, since that was the common and unquestioned understanding of scriptures in the first few centuries."

That assertion is not supported by evidence: the rule of Sola Scriptura is not taught in Scripture. The phrase --- an innovation in itself -- only became widespread (and "widespread" only in several countries in the northwestern corner of Europe) in the 16th-17th centuries.

Most of the Christian community in the rest of the world did not then, and does not now, accept it. We love "Scriptura" --- but the "Sola" part is a tradition of men.

So, can you back it up with evidence??

i should tell you right now that the references to the authority of Scripture are plentiful. Every Christian accepts that. Got it. For the sake of avoiding redundancy, there's no need to supply us with pages of cut-and-paste asserting that Scripture is authoritative. We know that.

But nobody has a problem with the "Scriptura" part. It's the "Sola" part.

That's the part I'm interested in.


Philip: "Thinkest thou that thou understandest what thou readest?"

The Ethiopian royal official: : "And how can I, unless some man show me?" (Acts 8:26-40)

49 posted on 07/23/2019 11:58:35 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Therefore stand fast and hold the traditions you were taught, by word or by our epistle.2 Thess. 3:6)
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To: treetopsandroofs

Gee, here’s a recipe.

Not an Egyptian-Roman recipe. Tomatoes are a Western Hemisphere vegetable/fruit.


50 posted on 07/23/2019 12:00:19 PM PDT by Western Phil
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To: SeekAndFind
Good time to be a Christian in the Roman Empire. 230 AD was during the tolerant reign of Severus Alexander and some decades before Diocletian re-started up the martyr making machine (yes, I had to look up the chronology). These brothers could communicate with each other without having to worry too much about who might read their letters.

The history of The Faith is interesting. Bad times lead to good times lead to complacency and persecution. But that persecution seems to always end up like fire tempering steel. The Faith comes out stronger in the end.

51 posted on 07/23/2019 12:01:45 PM PDT by katana
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To: amihow
Please! Call me simple-minded!

I attribute my intelligence (however little there may be) to the testimony of the Lord, who gives wisdom to the simple.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

52 posted on 07/23/2019 12:05:03 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("Actually, my two greatest assets have been mental stability and being, like, really smart." - DJT)
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To: SeekAndFind

And to think it got to where it was going without a ZIP code.


53 posted on 07/23/2019 12:08:30 PM PDT by Buckeye McFrog (Patrick Henry would have been an anti-vaxxer.)
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To: Campion

The Pope in 243 A.D. would have been more like the lead elder in a big megachurch. Not the crowned head of European royalty he would become later.


54 posted on 07/23/2019 12:10:20 PM PDT by Buckeye McFrog (Patrick Henry would have been an anti-vaxxer.)
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To: ConservativeMind
It sounds like they were Protestants.

LOL

55 posted on 07/23/2019 12:11:29 PM PDT by PistolPaknMama
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To: Mrs. Don-o
Neither is Sola Scriptura. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

And yet when Rome formalized its canon at the Council of Trent in the 1500s not one of the myriad of writings Roman Catholics selectively cite as "tradition" were included.

That is very telling.

If one just had the Bible, and if one just had the book of John from the Bible, one would have all they need to know how to have salvation.

That cannot be said about "tradition".

56 posted on 07/23/2019 12:11:41 PM PDT by ealgeone
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To: metmom
That's a wonderful selection of Scripture: and what it teaches is that Scripture is profitable, not that it is "sola."

It's the "alone" part which is inserted from outside: it's an erroneous addition.

Even the word "complete" does not mean exhaustive or "sola." It means it's one of the things you need to make yourself complete.

By way of analogy, if I have a fully-provisioned backpack of supplies for a hike, and I have a canteen of water too, the water may be "profitable" and may make me "complete" but I still don't proceed on water ALONE: I believe in "aqua" but not in "Aqua Sola."

57 posted on 07/23/2019 12:11:51 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("Actually, my two greatest assets have been mental stability and being, like, really smart." - DJT)
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To: Reily

You missed the joke.


58 posted on 07/23/2019 12:12:50 PM PDT by PistolPaknMama
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To: PistolPaknMama

I guess I did.

I can’t be awesome all the time.
:)


59 posted on 07/23/2019 12:14:21 PM PDT by Reily
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To: Mrs. Don-o; metmom

That has to be about one of the worst analogies I’ve read on these threads.


60 posted on 07/23/2019 12:15:53 PM PDT by ealgeone
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