Francis in his own words: There was no 'multiplication' of loaves: it was just 'sharing'.

Rorate Caeli ^ | June 25, 2019 | New Catholic

[ebb tide]

Francis in his own words: There was no 'multiplication' of loaves: it was just 'sharing'.

In his own words:

Surprisingly, the account of the multiplication of the loaves does not mention the multiplication itself. On the contrary, the words that stand out are: “break”, “give” and “distribute” (cf. Lk 9:16). In effect, the emphasis is not on the multiplication but the act of sharing. This is important. Jesus does not perform a magic trick; he does not change five loaves into five thousand and then to announce: “There! Distribute them!” No. Jesus first prays, then blesses the five loaves and begins to break them, trusting in the Father. And those five loaves never run out. This is no magic trick; it is an act of trust in God and his providence.

Francis

Homily on Corpus Christi

Rome, June 23, 2019

On the other hand:

Having reached this point, Venerable Brethren, we have sufficient material in hand to enable us to see the relations which Modernists establish between faith and science, including history also under the name of science. And in the first place it is to be held that the object of the one is quite extraneous to and separate from the object of the other. For faith occupies itself solely with something which science declares to be unknowable for it. Hence each has a separate field assigned to it: science is entirely concerned with the reality of phenomena, into which faith does not enter at all; faith on the contrary concerns itself with the divine reality which is entirely unknown to science. Thus the conclusion is reached that there can never be any dissension between faith and science, for if each keeps on its own ground they can never meet and therefore never be in contradiction. And if it be objected that in the visible world there are some things which appertain to faith, such as the human life of Christ, the Modernists reply by denying this. For though such things come within the category of phenomena, still in as far as they are lived by faith and in the way already described have been by faith transfigured and disfigured, they have been removed from the world of sense and translated to become material for the divine. Hence should it be further asked whether Christ has wrought real miracles, and made real prophecies, whether He rose truly from the dead and ascended into heaven, the answer of agnostic science will be in the negative and the answer of faith in the affirmative - yet there will not be, on that account, any conflict between them. For it will be denied by the philosopher as philosopher, speaking to philosophers and considering Christ only in His historical reality; and it will be affirmed by the speaker, speaking to believers and considering the life of Christ as lived again by the faith and in the faith.

Saint Pius X

Pascendi

September 8, 1907

[backwoods-engineer]

Sorry, brother, I’m dyslexic. I should have said, 4000 with 7 loaves not 7000 with 4 loaves. Still a miracle, with emphasis not on sharing, but on Jesus’ power.

[Varda]

“solely rational ways ‘

Read the quote I gave in post 89. He didn’t do that. He’s saying it’s not enough to believe in miracles, the miracle had consequences for Disciples which are instructions to us in our modern world. That he thinks the miracle isn’t the most important part of the reading is not a novelty.

There are many in the Church who follow this line of interpretation. It’s not the same as believing there was no miracle.

[piusv]

Read the definition again. The "solely rational" part was referring to how humanism goes about solving human problems. We are not talking about that. We are talking about how Bergoglio is "attaching prime importance to human rather than divine or supernatural matters".

And now that I took a look at the actual "homily", I see that he never says that Christ performed a miracle. So it's not even secondary for him. That was just your interpretation.

[BipolarBob]

Do you read the Bible once in your life and then put it away forever?
No. Matt. 6:7 "But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: "

Asking your mother for prayer is the most natural thing in the world, isn’t it?
Not if she's dead, no. That would be unnatural.

Religious medals are worn for devotional reasons.
Any example of a Disciple or Jesus wearing medals, crosses or charms? Reading the Word of God, daily prayers and having faith ought to cover all of the bases I would think. That's the examples we are given.

[Buckeye McFrog]

This guy is either a complete ignoramus
or hellbent on the destruction of the Church.

[Romulus]

"But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: "

Not all repetition is vain. "And the Lord said, "Listen to what the unjust judge says. And will not God bring about justice for his chosen ones, who cry out to him day and night? Will he keep putting them off? I tell you, he will see that they get justice, and quickly."

Not if she's dead, no. That would be unnatural.

Dead people don't stand up and shout. "After this I saw a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and tribes, and peoples, and tongues, standing before the throne, and in sight of the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands: And they cried with a loud voice, saying: Salvation to our God, who sitteth upon the throne, and to the Lamb."

[BipolarBob]

"And the Lord said, "Listen to what the unjust judge says. And will not God bring about justice for his chosen ones, who cry out to him day and night?
Nothing there about vain repetition. More probably legitimate complaints.

"After this I saw a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and tribes, and peoples, and tongues, standing before the throne, and in sight of the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands: And they cried with a loud voice, saying: Salvation to our God, who sitteth upon the throne, and to the Lamb."
Not one mention of Mom in all of that anywhere.

[RinaseaofDs]

Exactly my thought. In fact, Francis was on point - don’t worry about the magic, the salient point was utter trust that God the Father would provide what was needed.

Not horrible.

[Romulus]

Luke 11:5-8

Rev 12:1ff.

If you disclaim Mary as your mother, you disclaim membership in Jesus Christ.

[Hieronymus]

Thanks. It feels good to be able to say something nice about the Pope.

[mdmathis6]

Yup I think that stuff happens all the times but often we don’t have the eyes to see it. Many a time at work(hospital as an RN) I need some item that I would have to walk up the hall for but there it was laying on a cart next to the patient’s room. I just thank God and go on.

[daniel1212]

This pope is frightening and his ideas are multiplying among too many priests...Considering the polls that show a large percentage of Catholics do not believe in the Real Presence, and as the Body and Blood of Christ are the Source and Summit of our faith, a lesson on why we believe would have served a better purpose than his lame SJW garbage.

Here is the lesson you need:

The Lord's Supper: metaphorical commemoration or the consumption of the metaphysical "real" body and blood of the Lord Jesus?

(Note: allow scripts for pop up Bible verses

Table of Contents

Introduction

1. Catholic teaching on the Eucharist

2. Metaphorical versus literal language

3. Supper accounts and John 6: Conformity to Scripture, and consequences of the literalistic interpretation.

4. 1Cor. 10,11

5. The Lord's Supper in the record and descriptions of the New Testament church

6. Purely literal versus the contrived Catholic interpretation

7. The nature of the Catholic metaphysical explanation

8. The Lord's Supper is not a sacrifice for sins

9. Absence of the sacerdotal Eucharistic priesthood

10. Metaphorical view of Jn. 6 is not new.

11. Endocannibalism

12. Conclusion

[daniel1212]

For working links: The Lord's Supper: metaphorical commemoration or the consumption of the metaphysical "real" body and blood of the Lord Jesus?

[Elsie]

Quite a 'leader' you Catholics have!

I think that mere posting of the relevant Scriptures should be enough to illustrate the Truth of the matter.

No need for any commenting at all...

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Luke 9:12-17 Douay-Rheims 1899 American Edition (DRA)

¹² Now the day began to decline. And the twelve came and said to him: Send away the multitude, that going into the towns and villages round about, they may lodge and get victuals; for we are here in a desert place.

¹³ But he said to them: Give you them to eat. And they said: We have no more than five loaves and two fishes; unless perhaps we should go and buy food for all this multitude.

¹⁴ Now there were about five thousand men. And he said to his disciples: Make them sit down by fifties in a company.

¹⁵ And they did so; and made them all sit down.

¹⁶ And taking the five loaves and the two fishes, he looked up to heaven, and blessed them; and he broke, and distributed to his disciples, to set before the multitude.

¹⁷ And they did all eat, and were filled. And there were taken up of fragments that remained to them, twelve baskets.

 

 

(Must have been BIG loaves!!)

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(Sorry; couldn't help myself... ;^)

[Elsie]

And Jesus just woke Lazarus from his afternoon nap.

Who hadn't bathed for 4 days; thereby stinking...

[Elsie]

#38 still up?

[Elsie]

John 10:38

But if I do, though ye believe not Me, believe the works, that ye may know and believe that the Father is in Me, and I in Him.”

[Elsie]

Per Roman Catholic canon law, there is really nothing that can be done to remove a sitting pope.

One would think that "Mary" would have foreseen this papal problem and given instructions on it's correction last time she was here.

Oh well; perhaps other things were on her mind.

[Elsie]

Religious medals are worn for devotional reasons.

REALLY??!!??

"Mary" must have gotten her wires crossed!

 

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The 15 promises

(Given to St. Dominic and Blessed Alan de la Roche)

1	Whoever shall faithfully serve me by the recitation of the Rosary, shall receive powerful graces.
2.	I promise my special protection and the greatest graces to all those who shall recite the Rosary.
3.	The Rosary shall be a powerful armor against hell, it will destroy vice, decrease sin, and defeat heresies
4.	It will cause virtue and good works to flourish; it will obtain for souls the abundant mercy of God; it will withdraw the hearts of people from the love of the world and its vanities, and will lift them to the desire of eternal things. Oh, that souls would sanctify themselves by this means.
5.	The soul which recommends itself to me by the recitation of the Rosary, shall not perish.
6.	Whoever shall recite the Rosary devoutly, applying Himself to the consideration of its Sacred Mysteries shall never be conquered by misfortune. God will not chastise Him in His justice, he shall not perish by an unprovided death; if he be just, he shall remain in the grace of God, and become worthy of eternal life.
7.	Whoever shall have a true devotion for the Rosary shall not die without the Sacraments of the Church.
8.	Those who are faithful to recite the Rosary shall have during their life and at their death the light of God and the plentitude of His graces; at the moment of death they shall participate in the merits of the Saints in Paradise.
9.	I  shall deliver from purgatory those who have been devoted to the Rosary.
10.	The faithful children of the Rosary shall merit a high degree of glory in Heaven.
11.	You shall obtain all you ask of me by the recitation of the Rosary.
12.	All those who propagate the Holy Rosary shall be aided by me in their necessities.
13.	I  have obtained from my Divine Son that all the advocates of the Rosary shall have for intercessors the entire celestial court during their life and at the hour of death
14.	All who recite the Rosary are my children, and brothers and sisters of my only Son, Jesus Christ.
15.	Devotion of my Rosary is a great sign of predestination.

 

Religious medals are worn for devotional reasons.

REALLY??!!??

"Mary" must have gotten her wires crossed!

 

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The 15 promises

(Given to St. Dominic and Blessed Alan de la Roche)

1	Whoever shall faithfully serve me by the recitation of the Rosary, shall receive powerful graces.
2.	I promise my special protection and the greatest graces to all those who shall recite the Rosary.
3.	The Rosary shall be a powerful armor against hell, it will destroy vice, decrease sin, and defeat heresies
4.	It will cause virtue and good works to flourish; it will obtain for souls the abundant mercy of God; it will withdraw the hearts of people from the love of the world and its vanities, and will lift them to the desire of eternal things. Oh, that souls would sanctify themselves by this means.
5.	The soul which recommends itself to me by the recitation of the Rosary, shall not perish.
6.	Whoever shall recite the Rosary devoutly, applying Himself to the consideration of its Sacred Mysteries shall never be conquered by misfortune. God will not chastise Him in His justice, he shall not perish by an unprovided death; if he be just, he shall remain in the grace of God, and become worthy of eternal life.
7.	Whoever shall have a true devotion for the Rosary shall not die without the Sacraments of the Church.
8.	Those who are faithful to recite the Rosary shall have during their life and at their death the light of God and the plentitude of His graces; at the moment of death they shall participate in the merits of the Saints in Paradise.
9.	I  shall deliver from purgatory those who have been devoted to the Rosary.
10.	The faithful children of the Rosary shall merit a high degree of glory in Heaven.
11.	You shall obtain all you ask of me by the recitation of the Rosary.
12.	All those who propagate the Holy Rosary shall be aided by me in their necessities.
13.	I  have obtained from my Divine Son that all the advocates of the Rosary shall have for intercessors the entire celestial court during their life and at the hour of death
14.	All who recite the Rosary are my children, and brothers and sisters of my only Son, Jesus Christ.
15.	Devotion of my Rosary is a great sign of predestination.

 

[Elsie]

Sacred objects and truly holy persons are noisome to demons; they can’t bear to be near them.

izzat so?

Ya can't much more 'sacred' than Jesus; yet the Devil had no problem being close to Him.

LEGION had no problem 'til Jesus sent them away.