Posted on 04/20/2019 5:49:47 PM PDT by pcottraux
But we are given a description that is eerily like the effects of a A-bomb blast:
And this shall be the plague [the Heb. word is also used for slaughter in battle] wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth. (Zechariah 14:12)
7. His scales are his pride, shut up together as with a close seal:
8. One is so near to another, that no air can come between them:
9. They are joined one to another, they stick together, that they cannot be separated:
The Establishment beast is easily to recognize, with the media, corrupt pols and institutions in lockstep, closing ranks, on and on. These chapters read like a Dummies Guide to D.C., and also as a tell-all about the established, too-big-to-fail religious systems.
Religion and politics. Both are about to go down spectacularly.
I did enjoy that very much, thanks, especially the second link. I’ve always had an interest in natural history, and would love to write about creationism more if it wasn’t such a divisive issue (and I’m already getting ripped apart here but that was to be expected).
I personally think the Leviathan in chapter 41 is the devil, which I’ll argue for next week.
Ok, I'm confused by that one. Did I say dinosaurs didn't exist?
A principle which answers many questions.
Consider, for illustration, the examples of two young Jewish men -- Moses and Einstein.
God gave Moses Ten Commandments and Einstein E=MC2.
Why? Why not reverse that?
Why not give Moses E=MC2 and Einstein Ten Commandments?
The answer is obvious -- E=MC2 would do Moses no good whatever and without Ten Commandments, Einstein could not exist.
God gave His people what they needed most.
So, whether Leviathan is ox, dragon, devil, dinosaur or Big Government (iow, real, myth, evil personified, extinct or metaphor), God's point remains the same: He created them, rules over them, and when their time is over, He removes them.
Who knows? But they ARE on TV!!
So sad that you will believe man who is highly fallible yet discount the Word of God. Here’s some more evidence you wantonly choose to ignore.
Center for Scientific Creation
https://www.creationscience.com/
New Chromosome Research Undermines Human-Chimp Similarity Claims
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2565348/posts
Science in the Bible
http://www.clarifyingchristianity.com/science.shtml
Testimonies of Scientists Who Believe the Bible
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2761001/posts
Then, of course, there is Genesis 6:1 featuring the sons of god making babies with the daughters of man. This one is avoided like the plague.
“Atomic bombs aren’t in the Bible either.”
But nuclear reactors are. Go outside on a clear night and look up. The universe is full of them.
“But nuclear reactors are. Go outside on a clear night and look up. The universe is full of them.”
A point well made.
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Gen 1 vs 2
The earth was void.
“Was” translated to “became” in Strongs.
Jeremiah fleshes it out a bit
4:23 I beheld the earth, and, lo, it was without form, and void; and the heavens, and they had no light.
4:24 I beheld the mountains, and, lo, they trembled, and all the hills moved lightly.
4:25 I beheld, and, lo, there was no man, and all the birds of the heavens were fled.
4:26 I beheld, and, lo, the fruitful place was a wilderness, and all the cities thereof were broken down at the presence of the LORD, and by his fierce anger.
4:27 For thus hath the LORD said, The whole land shall be desolate; yet will I not make a full end.
4:28 For this shall the earth mourn, and the heavens above be black; because I have spoken it, I have purposed it, and will not repent, neither will I turn back from it.
I am always amazed when I come across something “new” until I realize yet again that “there is nothing new Under the Sun.”
Was/became answers a lot of questions that I have had in my life concerning the fossil record, the geologic record, the astronomical record, and other things that God put into motion. Galileo was almost burned at the stake for even thinking and observing that the Earth revolves around the Sun as do the other planets that Galileo could visually study.
We carry a lot of those old folklorist beliefs when the rocks have spoken. Observe the physical records. Indeed the rocks have spoken. Observe the Silicon chip and understand that silicon is sand which comes from rock. The rocks speak in many ways.
God created everything.
Great summation. The 70-year too-big-to-fail political Establishment refuses to recognize that its time has already expired. The jig is up. God (the card that He is) even sent in a man named Trump, but none of those folks are laughing.
A man named Jesus (essentially "SOS") flipped the tables on the religious establishment of the 1st century. A man's name is his mission.
Strange and amazing times, because God is about to law down the law. The spirit of the law will become the letter of the law and people will marvel at the simple meaning.
God did not create mythical creatures or refer to science fiction, and invoking such in order to illustrate His power and wisdom is illogical and absurd. `
You noticed that too, eh?
Or you may find Earth’s radioactivity occurs from within the crust and atmosphere [lightning].
Evo and astro science have the age of things completely out of whack with hundreds of other natural clocks that indicate short ages. The devolution of our DNA is a short ages clock with a max of 20,000 years.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uFBphFODgT4
Right, not saying He did, only pointing out that however you chose to interpret those words, God's point remains the same.
You disagree?
Clutch: "But nuclear reactors are.
Go outside on a clear night and look up.
The universe is full of them."
And when one of them blows up in a supernova, what is that?
One of God's A-bombs?
We don't see them very often, usual quite special events, such as a Star in the East.
That's in the Bible too.
This is simply as fallacious as liberal RC scholarship which effectively has Christ referring to a fable by invoking the story of Jonah.
I said no such thing, so not sure where you got that. Jonah is not a parable, though Christ did speak in parables. And that’s okay, because trying to figure out whether or not the story of the prodigal son is factual history would be kind of missing the point, don’t you think?
How can describing creating and ruling over mythical beasts demonstrate God’s power and wisdom? Might as well argue “Behold now the Centaur, which I made with thee…”
You’re approaching what I said with a false philosophical presupposition, then getting angry before even considering the point. You assume “mythical” automatically means “not real.” Symbolism shouldn’t be discounted, especially considering the important role it plays in ancient writings. We don’t use it as often today so it’s harder for modern readers to wrap their minds around, but it was so common in the ancient world we should be surprised if it didn’t appear in the Bible.
Other ancient symbols are also represented in the Bible. Like the aforementioned gods of Egypt and Canaan, God also mentions astrological constellations like Orion. Is this an endorsement of astrology? Hardly; it’s clearly meant to communicate a message ancient man would have understood.
So if God did mention a centaur, then I wouldn’t be surprised if there was a historical contextual reason for doing so (as there is in Job).
Despite the ad hominem attacks, you didn’t actually disprove my point. Here’s an example of what I mean:
Another misleading argument, for many words have shades of meaning, and extend is guesswork. Here is a extended discussion of it.
The link you provided contains some colossal ignorance, but I’ll deal with that in a minute. Your cut-off point (“extend”) is very interesting. I actually didn’t go as far into this, but the link confirmed what I had researched: the tail moves with an implication of pleasure. From there, he didn’t address any of my other points about the original Hebrew meaning. The verb is referring to an erection of the creature’s ding dong! The following reference to its “stones” (bahad) is to its testicles! The article danced around that and spent the rest of its time obsessing over how hippos and elephants don’t have “tails like cedars.” But the reference is clearly to its penis!
The Hebraic phrasing, as well as the external cross-cultural evidence, supports strongly that the behemoth is an ox deity of fertility, like Molech or Hathor, meant to represent the virility (untameability) of the animal kingdom. When compared to the Ugaric texts, it’s clear this poetic passage is written in dyambic verse- that is, in ancient literature, cow-gods and dragons of chaos (Leviathan) are paired together.
and which makes relegating Behemoth (“which I made with thee”) and Leviathan to be mythical beasts absurd,
The Leviathan, which I’ll get into next week, is described as a fire-breathing serpent and in other Bible verses having several heads. Of course this isn’t a real animal! I argue that it’s actually supposed to symbolize Satan, who in later passages (like Revelation) also is a fire-breathing multi-headed dragon. Unless you think that’s not symbolic either, and that an actual giant woman is in outer space giving birth to a baby that a cosmic dragon is waiting to devour….
And whether you like it or not, sometimes your articles come across as being the product of an elitist who seeks to make a name for himself
I find these accusations interesting, though usually not specific enough. By “blog pimp,” are you accusing me of seeking financial gain? I’ll be real with you; I don’t do ads or anything, and make no money from my blog (Jesus didn’t charge people for the Word). I garner about 250 unique site visits every day. When I post one on FR, that might lead to an extra 100 clicks or so. But so what? Do you have any idea the punishment I get in exchange for that 350 clicks? Whatever reward there is (none) is outweighed by the withering criticisms that fuel my own insecurities. Have you been there with me praying for strength to overcome my fear of criticism? Or when I lay awake at night obsessing over getting one little tiny thing wrong, and utter humiliation I feel when some smart aleck points it out?
And it’s made me far more enemies than friends. A sane person would have stopped doing this a long time ago.
…by engaging in dubious corrections, as in His Hand is Stretched Out Still
I’ve excoriated myself over that blog far more than you could ever excoriate me. I wish I could delete it from ever existing. But failure is our greatest teacher, and that brings me to the idiocy on the Creation link you posted to me:
Think of this blog as the opposite of that one. Then, I was so caught up in the emotional excitement of my point, it clouded my better judgment. I didn’t rationally study the commentaries enough.
Now this is the opposite. I would love it if dinosaurs were in the Bible. But no rational take on the Bible can support that. So let me unpack something in the link:
There are basically three animals that have been put forward as candidates for Behemoth which we will consider in this paper: the elephant, the hippopotamus, and some type of dinosaur.
To flip your quote back on you, Are you serious?
Who was it that deemed a Behemoth could only be one of those three? That’s such a gigantic leap of logic, you’ll break every bone in your body upon impact! Has this author never heard of a peraceratherium? Or a mastodon? Or a woolly mammoth? Or any other extinct species waaay bigger than any terrestrial mammal today?
First off, this seems to presuppose that the Behemoth is “the largest animal that ever lived” (the Bible doesn’t say that), then embarks on a ridiculous narrowing-down. But this genius apparently knows nothing about sauropods. The clichéd depiction of solitary long-necked creatures living in the “jungles and ferns” is outdated by about 50 years. The fossil record clearly shows that sauropods were pack animals that migrated across long plains, like bison today, as is the biological niche large herbivores fill.
For that matter, Young Earth Creationism is too guilty of leaving out too many extinct animals we know existed. To try to reduce how many species could be confined to Noah’s ark, the Creation Museum or Ark Encounter only depict dinosaurs most famous in pop culture: T-Rex, brachiosaurus, velociraptors. This smacks of cynicism: where are the thousands of other lesser-known species like tarbosaurus, yutyrannus, or Dakota raptor? And why just dinosaurs? What about all the other bizarre prehistoric beasts? The Ice Age mammals? (The dirty secret here is that so many terrestrial animals have been found in the fossil record, they couldn’t have possibly lived at the same time and been on Noah’s Ark; you would need thousands of arks to hold two of each of all their species!)
Let’s be real, daniel. Young Earth Creationists read about the behemoth in Job 40 and imagine they’re reading about a dinosaur, then get emotionally protective of that hallucination because of how it makes them feel. As evidence that they’re using the emotional part of their brain (the amygdala) instead of the logical part (the frontal cortex), I’ve observed the hostility and aggression they react with when you point out the real meaning of this passage.
To be frank, this kind of willful ignorance of paleontology and biology makes Young Earth Creationism an embarrassment to Christianity!
Oh, and happy Easter.
“And when one of them blows up in a supernova, what is that?
One of God’s A-bombs?”
There are several ways in which a star can die. Search on “when stars explode” and the results indicate that there are several things that can occur - from a complete disintegration like a supernova and situations such as an expanding star called a red giant, then there are also stars that cast off their outer layers leaving a hot core which cools over eons.
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