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1 posted on 04/06/2019 5:34:24 PM PDT by ebb tide
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2 posted on 04/06/2019 5:35:13 PM PDT by ebb tide ("We have a rogue curia in Rome")
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For those who believe, no poof is needed, for those who do not believe, no proof is enough.


3 posted on 04/06/2019 5:40:02 PM PDT by Rumplemeyer (The GOP should stand its ground - and fix Bayonets)
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I went to a three and a half day seminar on The Shroud. It convinced me it is real and not some Medieval fake.

Can I get on s list for updates on this?

5 posted on 04/06/2019 5:50:54 PM PDT by SkyDancer ( ~ Just Consider Me A Random Fact Generator ~ Eat Sleep Fly Repeat ~)
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John 10:14 I am the good shepherd: and I know mine, and mine know me. 15 As the Father knows me, and I know the Father: and I lay down my life for my sheep. 16 And other sheep I have that are not of this fold: them also I must bring. And they shall hear my voice: And there shall be one fold and one shepherd. 17 Therefore does the Father love me: because I lay down my life, that I may take it again. 18 No man takes it away from me: but I lay it down of myself. And I have power to lay it down: and I have power to take it up again. This commandment have I received of my Father.

Thanks for the thoughtful post, ebb tide.
7 posted on 04/06/2019 5:57:23 PM PDT by Montana_Sam (Truth lives.)
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Why is the Church not weighing in on the authenticity of the Shroud?


8 posted on 04/06/2019 5:58:59 PM PDT by Hostage (Article V)
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In my mind. Evidence beyond any reasonable doubt - certainly. Thank you for the post


10 posted on 04/06/2019 6:04:09 PM PDT by atc23
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In the church called ‘Santa Croce in Gerusalemme’ in Rome, there is a side room. In that room there is a computerized, full-size exact replica of the entire Shroud. You can peruse all of it from 3 feet away.

Studying it just in that way was a staggering experience.


15 posted on 04/06/2019 6:38:50 PM PDT by SaxxonWoods (The internet has driven the world mad.)
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In the church called ‘Santa Croce in Gerusalemme’ in Rome, there is a side room. In that room there is a computerized, full-size exact replica of the entire Shroud. You can peruse all of it from 3 feet away.

Studying it just in that way was a staggering experience.


16 posted on 04/06/2019 6:38:50 PM PDT by SaxxonWoods (The internet has driven the world mad.)
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The question I have about the shroud is that it appears to be a 2-D image rather than a 3-D image that would happen if it was actually wrapped around a body. The proportions look like what would be represented in a photo or painting or other flat object. So why aren’t the features significantly wider in proportion to the height, to account for the curvature of the body?

A small test we can all perform: Run a piece of string from one ear across the face to the other ear and mark it. Then put the string horizontally on a mirror and stand back and look at your own head in proportion to the length of the string. the string will be wider than the distance between your ears as viewed in the mirror.

Caveat - I’m not a scientist and I know there are a whole lot of FReepers smarter than I am, so if there’s a reason for proportions of the face on the shroud looking 2-dimensional, I’d be interested in learning about it.


18 posted on 04/06/2019 6:53:29 PM PDT by Two Kids' Dad (((( Wake me when a prominent democrat gets prosecuted. ))))
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L8r


20 posted on 04/06/2019 7:33:43 PM PDT by preacher ( Journalism no longer reports news, they use news to shape our society.)
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Given the level of knowledge in the 13th century, there would have been no reason for a Medieval forger to create such an elaborate work that defies 21st century technology to explain how it was created. During the time there was a thriving business in phony relics that were crude and could easily be dismissed as fakes by today’s technology. For this reason alone I doubt the shroud is a Medieval forgery.


21 posted on 04/06/2019 7:43:35 PM PDT by The Great RJ ("Socialists are happy until they run out of other people's money." Margaret Thatcher)
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If you go with the idea that the shroud is either a hoax or it is not, then I go with the Sherlock Holmes idea that 'once you have eliminated everything that is not possible, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truth'.

Considering the fantastic amount of detail contained in the shroud, covering scientific knowledge that was unknown in the 13th century (and some of it unknown even to this day), I consider the hoax idea as 'not possible'. What does that leave us with?

25 posted on 04/06/2019 8:46:14 PM PDT by NurdlyPeon (It is the nature of liberals to pervert whatever they touch.)
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“...there are legions of professed Christian’s who have no idea what it is, or that it even exists.”

Many protestants have told me it’s just another one of those “graven images,” Catholics are always idol-worshipping instead of Jesus. Like statues.


28 posted on 04/06/2019 9:46:14 PM PDT by mumblypeg (I've seen the future, brother. It is murder. --L. Cohen)
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I believe it is a phoney because it is based on what the liberals believe Jesus looked like and not what the scriptures say he looked like.


30 posted on 04/07/2019 3:44:22 AM PDT by ravenwolf (Small towns are great, if you forget what you were doing don't worry every one else knows.)
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Catholics are the only “Christians” who need icons and trinkets to believe they have gained Salvation. Then they overlook the actual “Truth and Way”: Grace through belief in Christ as the Savior; and, even that Faith is a Gift.


33 posted on 04/07/2019 6:43:24 AM PDT by GingisK
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Mark


46 posted on 04/12/2019 10:01:00 AM PDT by truthluva
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