Posted on 12/09/2018 7:45:01 AM PST by Salvation
Salvation is an individual thing. I cannot share an ounce of mind with you nor you me. An individual is either saved or not.
Still yet--- and this is a paradox --- God tells us we do participate in each other's salvation.
Otherwise we would call scripture a lie and make the "Body of Christ" nothing but an empty image:
Jude 22-24
Be merciful to those who doubt; save others by snatching them from the fire.Romans 11:13-14
I am talking to you Gentiles. Inasmuch as I am the apostle to the Gentiles, I take pride in my ministry 14 in the hope that I may somehow arouse my own people to envy and save some of them.1 Corinthians 7:16
How do you know, wife, whether you will save your husband? Or, how do you know, husband, whether you will save your wife?
Some days Mrs.D you seem to have the grasp of Christianity then other days your Roman Catholic indoctrination comes through.
In this case it's the former.
But Roman Catholicism seems to go out of its way to nullify the sufficiency of the Cross with all of the other stuff Rome says one must do for salvation....if you even can have salvation as a RC.
The belief one has to go through Mary for example. No where in Scripture is that ever accorded as a belief for salvation.
Still yet--- and this is a paradox --- God tells us we do participate in each other's salvation.
Otherwise we would call scripture a lie and make the "Body of Christ" nothing but an empty image:
Jude 22-24 Be merciful to those who doubt; save others by snatching them from the fire.
Let's put this in context shall we. If Roman Catholics learn nothing from these discussions, I hope the understanding of how importance context is in understanding Scripture.
17But you, beloved, ought to remember the words that were spoken beforehand by the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ, 18that they were saying to you, “In the last time there will be mockers, following after their own ungodly lusts.” 19These are the ones who cause divisions, worldly-minded, devoid of the Spirit. 20But you, beloved, building yourselves up on your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Spirit, 21keep yourselves in the love of God, waiting anxiously for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ to eternal life. 22And have mercy on some, who are doubting; 23save others, snatching them out of the fire; and on some have mercy with fear, hating even the garment polluted by the flesh.
24Now to Him who is able to keep you from stumbling, and to make you stand in the presence of His glory blameless with great joy, 25to the only God our Savior, through Jesus Christ our Lord, be glory, majesty, dominion and authority, before all time and now and forever. Amen.
Jude 17-25 NASB
The idea of these passages and others is we are to be a witness for others.
We are to share the Gospel with the lost and encourage those who are weak in their faith.
That's the reason so many of us are on these threads witnessing to Roman Catholics and whoever else may be reading these threads.....that they will come to a saving faith in Christ and Christ alone. That is the Gospel message.
It's not a bank of faith that is distributed if you're heading down that path.
Does it have 3rd Corinthians? Supposedly, that was so harsh that it was rejected when compiling the books of the Bible.
The Church of God which sojourns in Rome to the Church of God which sojourns in Corinth, to them which are called and sanctified by the will of God through our Lord Jesus Christ. Grace to you and peace from Almighty God through Jesus Christ be multiplied.
Could this be what you're looking for, it's fairly lenghty?
While looking for the above, I noticed Acts, Chp 29, which contains an interesting account of Pontius Pilate.
Interesting. I always thought that Paul probably wrote it like 1 and 2 Corinthians.
BINGO! The winning post!
But of course all protestant writings by all denominations are in perfect agreement! LOL!@!
You just can’t help yourself, it’s actually amusing how hard you try to berate all Catholics. Why not try using it on Muslims?
I note that one does not have to go through Mary for salvation...Roman Catholic writers say otherwise.
The New Testament says:
1“Do not let your heart be troubled; believe in God, believe also in Me. 2“In My Father’s house are many dwelling places; if it were not so, I would have told you; for I go to prepare a place for you. 3“If I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and receive you to Myself, that where I am, there you may be also. 4“And you know the way where I am going.” 5Thomas said to Him, “Lord, we do not know where You are going, how do we know the way?”
6Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but through Me. John 14:1-6 NASB
Seems my position aligns with that of the New Testament.....Rome's position does not.
Not sure what you mean. If you’re heading down what path?
Bless you, you must be a mind-reader. I was about to write the exact same thing to you.
Rome’s position isn’t that you have to go through Mary. You know that. I know that.
I’m not going to break my rule again regarding the feeding of trolls. Bye
Bernadine: …all gifts, all virtues, and all graces are dispensed by the hands of Mary to whomsoever, when, and as she pleases. O Lady, since thou art the dispenser of all graces, and since the grace of salvation can ONLY come through thy hands, OUR SALVATION DEPENDS ON THEE.
(Leo XIII: Adiutricem populi, September 5, 1895) — [p. 19, no. 44]
“The Catholic Church has always and with justice put all her hope and trust in the Mother of God.”
(Leo XIII: Encyclical, Supreme Apostolatus, September 1, 1883.) — [p. 32, no. 104]
St. John Damascene also says, "that to serve Mary and be Her courtier is the greatest honor we can possibly possess; for to serve the Queen of Heaven is already to reign there, and live under Her commands is more than to govern."25
On the other hand, he adds, "that those who do not serve Mary will not be saved; for those who are deprived of the help of this great Mother are also deprived of that of Her Son and of the whole court of heaven."26
23. "Coeleste nobis regnum, suo interventu auxiliis, et precibus, impetravit."—Paciucch. Sup. Salve Reg. exc. I.
24. "Qui Virgini famulatur, ita securus est de paradiso, ac si esset in paradiso."
25. "Summus honor, servire Mariæ, et de ejus esse familia; etenim ei servire, regnare est; et ejus agi frænis, summa libertas."
26. "Gens quæ non servierit illi, peribit; gentes destitutæ tantæ Matris auxilio, destituuntur auxilio Filii et totius curi’‘ coelestis."— De Laud. B. M. I. 4.
Cardinal Hugo http://fatima.org/crusader/cr38/cr38pg3.asp
So what? Some Catholics believe it? It isn’t a teaching of the Church and you know it and so do I. It also has not a thing to do with anything on this thread except in your mind!
If it isn't, will you publicly say all of those writers are wrong and that Rome is wrong to allow this to be written and promoted?
“As every man hath received the gift, even so minister the same one to another, as good stewards of the manifold grace of God.” (1 Peter 4:10)
What does a "steward" do? A steward manages and distributes resources.
We are the Body of Christ: the cells, tissues, organs, systems, senses, limbs, all the members, members of Him and of one another.
Grace circulates like oxygen is carried around your whole system by the "ministry" of the diaphram muscle, the lungs, and above all the blood. We receive it, this oxygen, then we curate it as a steward, then we pass it on to others. This oxygen of grace feeds our “spiritual gift”, our specific role in the Body of Christ.
And if you cut yourself off from Christ, you don't have it. You're amputated. It's suicide. You're dead.
“We have different gifts, according to the grace given to each of us. If your gift is prophesying, then prophesy in accordance with your faith; if it is serving, then serve; if it is teaching, then teach; if it is to encourage, then give encouragement; if it is giving, then give generously; if it is to lead, do it diligently; if it is to show mercy, do it cheerfully.” (Romans 12:6-8)
We know our particular, properly personal unique role in the body of Christ was given as a gift. By the grace of God -- which we share --- it's not really "you" (like some isolated singleton, some dorky individual) sharing this grace, but God--- Who has (graciously) chosen you to share it out, and others to share it to you.
I love how it's phrased in the KJV:
“If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward..."
This sharing of grace, circulating it amongst each other, is our oxygen. We are like the red corpuscles of our God.
Even if you think you cannot share an "ounce" if it, you do --- in the living Body of Christ.
To make it short: the Body of Christ is the only “context” that makes sense of my life.
The individual has to come to faith in Christ on their own.
Agree?
John 4:22 You Samaritans worship what you do not know; we worship what we do know, for salvation is from the Jews.The error comes if someone fails to see that we are stewards of grace, stewards of salvation, and instead misinterpret us a rivals or competitors of Christ, or usurpers of His prerogatives. Nothing could be further from the truth.Acts 13:47
For this is what the Lord has commanded us: “‘I have made you a light for the Gentiles, that you may bring salvation to the ends of the earth.”
For instance, to interpret most Christians' veneration of Mary as idolatry, as if she were being put up as a kind of goddess, a fourth-person-of-the-Trinity, is to miss that actually "salvation is from the Jews" and Jesus is from Mary, His Jewish Mother (which is what makes Him a Jew!) And the Incarnation proceeded because of her handmaidenly cooperation, to be mother of Incarnate God.
If Scripture is true, that "Salvation is from the Jews," it is preeminently true of Mary, who is Jesus' only human kinship connection to the Jews and to the whole Human Race.
Mary is the Mother of the Advent of Christ. The Mother of the Incarnation. The Mother of Christ our salvation.
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