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[Catholic Caucus] Is Francis Doing for Our Times What Jesus Did for His?
New Oxford Review ^ | September 2018 | James V. Schall, S.J.

Posted on 09/06/2018 9:22:46 AM PDT by ebb tide

“This is where Francis-era liberal Catholicism has so often ended up — in arguments that imply that the church must use Jesus to go beyond Jesus, as it were, using his approach to the ritual law as a means to evade or qualify the moral law, which means essentially evading or qualifying his own explicit commandments, and declaring them a pharisaism that the late modern church should traffic in no more. To fulfill Jesus’ mission, to follow the Jesus of faith, even the Jesus of Scripture must be left behind.” — Ross Douthat, To Change the Church

“This book is not inevitabalist. It is conservative, in the sense that it assumes the church needs a settled core of doctrine, a clear unbroken link to the New Testament and the early church, for Catholicism’s claims and structure and demands to make any sense at all.” — Ross Douthat, To Change the Church

The last, rather playful, words in Ross Douthat’s incisive new book, To Change the Church, are “‘Hagan lío!’ Francis likes to say. ‘Make a mess!’ In that much he has succeeded.” Whether this judgment of success is a compliment, a condemnation, or both is the burden of the book. We have a Pope who tells the youth to go out and make a “mess” of things. Francis himself, in Douthat’s estimation, seems to follow those elder gentlemen of whom Plato spoke who take their cue from the youth and not from tradition, lest they be thought of as “out of date.”

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TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; Moral Issues
KEYWORDS: francischurch
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1 posted on 09/06/2018 9:22:46 AM PDT by ebb tide
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Ping


2 posted on 09/06/2018 9:24:03 AM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: ebb tide

I’ll get back to you on that one!


3 posted on 09/06/2018 9:26:10 AM PDT by miss marmelstein
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To: ebb tide

Jesus was protecting predators?


4 posted on 09/06/2018 9:26:58 AM PDT by alstewartfan ("We circle each other in flight Til together we roll like the ocean In its bed at night" Al Stewart)
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To: ebb tide

In brief, “going beyond Jesus” seldom leads back to Jesus.


Jesus warns the 7 churches in Revelation, Go back to your first love, go back to the beginning, go back to the basics.


5 posted on 09/06/2018 9:28:59 AM PDT by PeterPrinciple (Thinking Caps are no longer being issued but there must be a warehouse full of them somewhere.)
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To: ebb tide

What a disgusting question!


6 posted on 09/06/2018 9:30:52 AM PDT by pgkdan (The Silent Majority STILL Stands With TRUMP! WWG1WGA)
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To: ebb tide

Thus, in changing certain basic aspects of tradition, Francis is retaining the tradition that now allows the opposite of what it previously forbade. In this approach, “change” would really mean “no change.”


Now there is probably the best pretzel logic I have ever seen.


7 posted on 09/06/2018 9:33:59 AM PDT by PeterPrinciple (Thinking Caps are no longer being issued but there must be a warehouse full of them somewhere.)
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To: ebb tide; All
"To fulfill Jesus’ mission, to follow the Jesus of faith, even the Jesus of Scripture must be left behind.” — Ross Douthat, To Change the Church"

Somebody’s got the wires crossed about Jesus.

Paul had warned, Romans 1:32 for example, paraphrased, that the blind would lead the blind.

8 posted on 09/06/2018 10:13:22 AM PDT by Amendment10
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To: ebb tide

No. Something about a millstone and the sea...


9 posted on 09/06/2018 10:22:44 AM PDT by bk1000 (I stand with Trump)
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To: ebb tide

So normalizing pedophilic behavior is “our times”?

Who writes this stuff?


10 posted on 09/06/2018 10:23:35 AM PDT by cicero2k
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To: PeterPrinciple

Even those churches that Jesus found to have been faithful?


11 posted on 09/06/2018 11:31:31 AM PDT by Biggirl ("One Lord, one faith, one baptism" - Ephesians 4:5)
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