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[Cath Caucus] Cardinal Brandmüller Criticises Communion on the Hand, Mercy Ideology
Gloria TV ^ | July 22, 2018 | Gloria TV

Posted on 07/22/2018 3:47:03 PM PDT by ebb tide

Cardinal Brandmüller Criticises Communion on the Hand, Mercy Ideology

“It is evident that receiving Holy Communion on the tongue while kneeling expresses the faith in Christ's real presence better than Communion in the hand while standing”, according to Cardinal Walter Brandmüller.

Talking to LaFedeQuotidiana.it (July 22), Brandmüller, one of the two living Dubia cardinals, further criticises Pope Francis' mercy ideology,

“Mercy is only true if it does not contradict but is in harmony with the other Christian virtues: prudence, temperance, fortitude.”



TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; Theology; Worship
KEYWORDS: brandmller; francismercy; holycommunion
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1 posted on 07/22/2018 3:47:03 PM PDT by ebb tide
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To: ebb tide

Bergoglio will fire him before the week is out. Any cardinal that dares criticize the great and powerful Bergoglio and has the gall to remind him of
the doctrine of the Catholic Church is threading on thin ice.


2 posted on 07/22/2018 3:58:03 PM PDT by NKP_Vet ("Man without God descends into madness")
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To: ebb tide

“Mercy is only true if it does not contradict but is in harmony with the other Christian virtues: prudence, temperance, fortitude.”


4 posted on 07/22/2018 4:03:27 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (President Trump divides Americans . . . from anti-Americans.)
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To: ebb tide

Yep. Can’t believe I fell for the Communion in the hand thing for about 10 years. Once I went back to Communion on the tongue I realized how much Communion in the hand had negatively affected my whole understanding of the Holy Eucharist. Now I attend either the Divine Worship (formerly known as the Anglican Use) or the traditional Latin Mass. Both are said with the priest facing the altar, and Communion is distributed on the tongue and kneeling. When I go to a Novus Ordo Mass I receive standing and on the tongue as a witness to the holiness of the Eucharist. I don’t care if the priest looks down on me for it. I know better now.


5 posted on 07/22/2018 4:03:41 PM PDT by scouter (As for me and my household... We will serve the LORD.)
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To: KierkegaardMAN

Peter Kreeft reports a similar conversation with Muslim students at, I think, Boston College.

“I’d we believed what you SAY you believe, we’d creep up there meekly on our hands and knees, each step going face-down to the floor.”

Think about that.


6 posted on 07/22/2018 4:18:40 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Philosophy is a battle against the bewitchment of our intelligence bymeans of language.-Wittgenstein)
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To: KierkegaardMAN

How did the Apostles receive the Lord’s Supper on the night He was betrayed? Placed on their tongues? Perhaps we should recline on our left sides around a low table like they did?


7 posted on 07/22/2018 4:23:51 PM PDT by rephope
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To: rephope

They were priests themselves.


8 posted on 07/22/2018 4:35:27 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: rephope
"How did the Apostles receive the Lord’s Supper on the night He was betrayed? Placed on their tongues? Perhaps we should recline on our left sides around a low table like they did?"

That would be an exercise of the logical fallacy known as argumentum ad antiquitatem, or "appeal to antiquity", where the argument is made that something should be done a certain way because it was originally done that way, without regard to changing circumstances or an organic development of understanding.

9 posted on 07/22/2018 4:42:27 PM PDT by fidelis (Zonie and USAF Cold Warrior)
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To: ebb tide
Mercy is only true if it does not contradict but is in harmony with the other Christian virtues: prudence, temperance, fortitude

This is a peculiar statement. Typically, mercy is contrasted with justice and sometimes falsely seen as a relaxation of justice. But here, the only cardinal virtue he leaves out is justice.

Thomas takes this up in his discussion about God's mercy and justice. And this applies to us to the extent that we are able to emulate God in our lives.

In the Summa Part 1, Question 21, Article 3, Objection 2 reads: Further, mercy is a relaxation of justice. But God cannot remit what appertains to His justice. For it is said (2 Tim. 2:13): "If we believe not, He continueth faithful: He cannot deny Himself." But He would deny Himself, as a gloss says, if He should deny His words. Therefore mercy is not becoming to God.

And the Response to Objection 2 reads: God acts mercifully, not indeed by going against His justice, but by doing something more than justice; thus a man who pays another two hundred pieces of money, though owing him only one hundred, does nothing against justice, but acts liberally or mercifully. The case is the same with one who pardons an offence committed against him, for in remitting it he may be said to bestow a gift. Hence the Apostle calls remission a forgiving: "Forgive one another, as Christ has forgiven you" (Eph. 4:32). Hence it is clear that mercy does not destroy justice, but in a sense is the fulness thereof. And thus it is said: "Mercy exalteth itself above judgement" (James 2:13).

There has to be more to this than what the quote is in the link or this the bishop's statement is a bit odd. Perhaps I don't understand Francis's conception of mercy since I have found his writing style difficult to follow and have given up on it.

10 posted on 07/22/2018 4:44:01 PM PDT by johniegrad
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To: rephope
Li a Precious Martyr of the Eucharist

Father Luke never took his eyes off the young girl, and he continued to observe her as she lowered herself down on her knees, bent over, and with her tongue, took up one of the Hosts. She then remained there on her knees, eyes closed and in deep joy at having her Heavenly Friend within her.

11 posted on 07/22/2018 4:47:15 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: rephope

LIke an altar rail?


12 posted on 07/22/2018 4:51:20 PM PDT by rwilson99 (How exactly would John 3:16 not apply to Mary?)
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LIke an altar rail?

What is your problem with due reverence for the Body of Christ?

Did not Jesus, Himself, kneel in the Garden of Gethsemane?

13 posted on 07/22/2018 5:00:08 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: ebb tide
Brandmüller, one of the two living Dubia cardinals
14 posted on 07/22/2018 5:16:31 PM PDT by Slyfox (Not my circus, not my monkeys)
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To: rephope
Perhaps we should recline on our left sides around a low table like they did?

Where is that in Scripture?

Are you even a Catholic?

15 posted on 07/22/2018 5:36:02 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: ebb tide

Everyone needs to receive Jesus directly on their tongue!


16 posted on 07/22/2018 6:02:49 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: rephope

17 posted on 07/22/2018 6:05:12 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: rephope

One of the ironies about Jesus’ Real Presence is that more devil worshipers believe it to be God then Catholics. No secret that they defile our Lord in the Sacred Host in their black masses. How do they get their evil hands on the host you ask? Definitely not by those that receive it on the tongue.


18 posted on 07/22/2018 6:20:38 PM PDT by KierkegaardMAN (This is the sort of stuff up with which I shall not put!)
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To: ebb tide

Yes he did! Good reminder.


19 posted on 07/22/2018 11:39:14 PM PDT by Marchmain (Let freedom ring)
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To: rephope

Frankly I think we have WAY bigger fish to fry than this.

The Church is hurtling headlong into accepting gay marriage and abortion. IMO this one is hardly worth quibbling over(and frankly even if you do believe that on the tongue is more proper there are all sorts of practical barriers to going back to that, from churches that weren’t designed for communion rails to younger people who would not figure it out).

Is this the hill you really want to die on?
Cardinal Brandmuller may.


20 posted on 07/23/2018 8:06:19 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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