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Ex-President of Ireland Says Baptism Creates “Infant Conscripts”
Crux ^ | 6/23/18 | Charles Collins

Posted on 06/23/2018 6:00:46 PM PDT by marshmallow

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To: marshmallow

Jesus is Lord, not Mary McAleese.

What is her ruling on the cicumcision of Jewish and Muslim boys?


21 posted on 06/23/2018 6:38:24 PM PDT by Southside_Chicago_Republican (If liberty means anything at all, it means the right to tell people what they do not want to hear.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

would Clinton or Comey lie?

22 Jun: RTE Ireland: ‘World at global tipping point’ - Clinton
By Sharon Tobin, Additional Reporting PA
Speaking to a packed to capacity lecture hall, it was speech directed at millennials, whom she said were “proving to be some of the most effective activists”...
Mrs Clinton said she had spoken to a lot of young people who were not just “discouraged by the policies of the Trump administration” but were “disgusted with politics and disenchanted with our democratic system”.
She said problems were made worse by an administration “set on waging war on the rule of law”...
Russian President Vladimir Putin was described as the “leader of an authoritarian, white supremacist and xenophobic movement that wants to break up the EU”.

Mrs Clinton’s visit coincides with a trip to Dublin by former FBI director James Comey, the man she effectively blames for torpedoing her presidential bid...
Speaking to RTÉ News, he said: “Our whole goal was to try and not to play a role in the elections, so I don’t think of it as an intervention in that way.
“I think we did our best to make principled decisions, not in the interest of either side.”

A demonstration was held at Trinity College today as Ms Clinton was awarded an Honorary Degree.
Around 50 protesters held signs that read “Lock her up” and “Clinton #BodyCount”.
They said her role in “promoting war” during her time as US Secretary State was reason enough to deny her the honour.
https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2018/0622/972437-hillary-clinton-dublin/


22 posted on 06/23/2018 6:38:34 PM PDT by MAGAthon
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To: marshmallow

But these same socialists want to conscript you into their programs and control every aspect of your life and not allow you to have the say so for anything.


23 posted on 06/23/2018 6:40:21 PM PDT by Wilhelm Tell (True or False? This is not a tag line.)
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To: rusty schucklefurd
Exactly, Rusty.

If she really believes what she said, it would be a violation of human rights to kiss your baby, because the baby has not reached the age of reason and has not given verbal consent.

If she really believes her autonomous, voluntarist crap, it is a violation of human rights to bring a child into existence without the child's consent.

We are contingent, dependent, interpersonal beings. We were created by God and for God. I think that's the very thing she resents: that we are not God, but we belong to Him..

24 posted on 06/23/2018 6:43:27 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("It is truly right and just, our duty and our salvation, always and everywhere to give You thanks..")
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To: Mrs. Don-o

This is one of my favorite parts of Mass.


25 posted on 06/23/2018 6:44:12 PM PDT by sitetest (No longer mostly dead.)
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To: marshmallow

Baptizing babies doesn’t do anything but get their foreheads wet.


26 posted on 06/23/2018 6:44:20 PM PDT by Old Yeller (Auto-correct has become my worst enema.)
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To: sitetest

Mine too!!!


27 posted on 06/23/2018 6:46:50 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("It is truly right and just, our duty and our salvation, always and everywhere to give You thanks..")
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To: marshmallow

where’s this person been? certainly not on Rock Three or anywhere in our solar system

people have been walking away from the Church since it was created. this is especially visible right now with Ireland (of all places!?) going into the baby-murder/abortion business


28 posted on 06/23/2018 6:48:10 PM PDT by faithhopecharity ( "Politicans aren't born, they're excreted." -Marcus Tillius Cicero (3 BCE))
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To: marshmallow
My ancestral Homeland, the Isle of Saints and Scholars, having wrested its Freedom from the strangers, now embraces the the glamour of secular relativism. So much for another Celtic Revival.

"Dia shábháil ar fad anseo!"

29 posted on 06/23/2018 6:53:06 PM PDT by ConorMacNessa (FMF Corpsman - Lima 3/5 RVN 1969 - St. Michael the Archangel defend us in Battle!)
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To: marshmallow

14 is too young to decide on faith, but old enough to have an abortion and lob their genitals or breasts clean off.


30 posted on 06/23/2018 6:54:35 PM PDT by LukeL
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Baptizing a baby in Christ is a horrible imposition but sacrificing a baby to Moloch is a wonderful “right” everyone should celebrate.


31 posted on 06/23/2018 6:56:54 PM PDT by Wilhelm Tell (True or False? This is not a tag line.)
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To: marshmallow

Unfortunately, I'm unable to find a prayer of reparation to the Holy Spirit. I'll say a Chaplet of Divine Mercy for the salvation of her soul, instead.

32 posted on 06/23/2018 6:57:01 PM PDT by BlessedBeGod (To restore all things in Christ~~Appeasing evil is cowardice~~Francis is temporary. Hell is forever.)
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To: AndyTheBear

She knows what it really is- a means of grace commanded by Christ himself through which God plants the seed of faith and strengthens any faith already present.
She knows there’s no lower limit, no one is too young to be baptised- she knows baptism works regardless of the receipient’s own intellect or reason because it is the grace of God at work, not a work of man.
That’s why the Marxists want to bar people from God as early as possible, long enough that the Marxists can get to them first and indoctrinate them, and that’s a tough task for them because it’s impossible to get an infant or child to read and absorb all that bull crap penned by pretentious socialist “intellectuals.”

So they operate on the principle of “if we can’t have access then Christ must not have them either.”


33 posted on 06/23/2018 6:57:28 PM PDT by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge)
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To: MAGAthon

Very good catches. Poor Ireland.


34 posted on 06/23/2018 6:59:54 PM PDT by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
You are not "contracted" for this obligation. Every human person owes God gratitude and worship simply because they exist: in consideration of the inescapable fact that He is our Creator and we are His creatures.

I was taking "contract" as broadly as possible to be as generous as I could to the notion I was criticizing.

This is important in critical analysis. If I evaluated her arguments with only my own definition of her terms then how do I know if what I find objection to is not simply about using terms differently. Alas, I am not sure what she might have meant by "contract", but even in the broadest possible sense I could give it, there is no way I could see it applying until confirmation.

35 posted on 06/23/2018 7:11:56 PM PDT by AndyTheBear
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To: marshmallow

She’s an IDIOT.

Baptism is and was never an initiation to the Catholic Church. It’s was done as a means of saving the soul - which is why you’d want your newborn to be baptized.

CONFIRMATION is when you, as an adult, choose to become an active Christian in the church.


36 posted on 06/23/2018 7:14:40 PM PDT by Skywise
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To: marshmallow

The existence of islam and sharia law are all violations of human rights. Christian baptizing of a baby is for the benefit of the parents, the child can confirm it or not when of the age to decide. Islam however, will never let go, islamics will kill you if you want to leave.


37 posted on 06/23/2018 7:17:41 PM PDT by This I Wonder32460 (Someday each and everyone of us will cross the Great Divide from daylight unto night. God Bless Us.)
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To: ConorMacNessa
They did not wrest freedom from the strangers. Ever read the Third Amendment to Ireland’s constitution, approved by referendum back in 1972?
The State may become a member of the European Coal and Steel Community (established by Treaty signed at Paris on the 18th day of April, 1951), the European Economic Community (established by Treaty signed at Rome on the 25th day of March, 1957) and the European Atomic Energy Community (established by Treaty signed at Rome on the 25th day of March, 1957).

No provision of this Constitution invalidates laws enacted, acts done or measures adopted by the State necessitated by the obligations of membership of the Communities—or prevents laws enacted, acts done or measures adopted by the Communities, or institutions thereof, from having the force of law in the State. (emphasis mine)
They hand over their sovereignty to the real strangers here, to a foreign empire whose beginnings were planned way back in 1914 in Berlin. Was that what the rebels were fighting for? It does beg the question, since I was always taught that it was a struggle for independence, but to throw it away so lightly speaks to a different agenda.
38 posted on 06/23/2018 7:19:09 PM PDT by Olog-hai ("No Republican, no matter how liberal, is going to woo a Democratic vote." -- Ronald Reagan, 1960)
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To: marshmallow

Well DUH....that’s the whole point! Can’t have people choosing.


39 posted on 06/23/2018 7:20:04 PM PDT by high info voter (Liberal leftists would have "un-friended" Paul Revere!)
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To: marshmallow

I don’t remember infant baptism in the Bible.


40 posted on 06/23/2018 7:21:47 PM PDT by the_daug
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