Posted on 04/12/2018 6:25:03 PM PDT by marshmallow
April 6, 2018 (Society for the Protection of Unborn Children) – A couple whose frozen embryos were destroyed in a storage tank malfunction could seek action for wrongful death – if a judge rules that an embryo is considered a life.
This is just one of the dozens of lawsuits facing The University Hospitals Fertility Clinic in Cleveland, after the failure in early March of a cryopreservation tank containing approximately 4,000 eggs and embryos belonging to at least 950 families.
The accidental destruction of these very young human beings is raising a host of ethical and legal questions, and highlighting some of the inherent problems of IVF.
Is an embryo a person?
In Cleveland, clinic patients Wendy and Rick Penniman's attorney is "asking the court to declare that an embryo is a person and that life begins at conception", allowing the couple to bring a wrongful death lawsuit. However, the Roe v Wade decision, which legalised abortion, holds that a foetus, let alone an embryo, is not a person.
Antonia Tully, Director of Campaigns for SPUC said: "Of course we hope that the judge in this case does recognise the humanity of the embryos. But at the same time we must be clear that manufacturing human beings to order, outside the womb by IVF is inherently wrong. We must also remember that many other tiny embryonic humans will have been discarded at the time that these embryos were selected for freezing."
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Very, very interesting case! How will the feminists and left deal with this?
It’s mass murder, plain and simple.
That was a terrible mistake. It sounds like a mechanical malfunction. Losing the preserved embryo or fetus was always a possibility. They will probably be sued into bankruptcy and well beyond.
So strong will the urge be by these potential mothers to punish the agency that ‘lost’ their future child.
Some couples will go on to have more children or accept life as is, while others will never quite get over losing what once seemed so very likely.
An embryo is human? Really? Strange that “Planned Parenthood” does not even consider a human fetus as human. This is all coming back to upend their evil machinations.
Sadly, most Frozen embryos end up murdered.
These embryos have no mother and they are not exhibiting ongoing biotic processes. They may be property but they are not persons. Have they souls? Hmmmm.
“Have they souls?”
Are you proposing that IVF babies have no souls?
Probably by ignoring it.
Only if it were intentional.
I'm deeply conflicted about playing with life and expecting perfect outcomes.
If they had their full diploid 46 chromosomes, they had mothers. And fathers. They’re alive because they can be killed. Anyone who can’t tell the difference between a living (though dormant) human subject and a dead one, is not qualified to practice medicine.
These embryos have no mother and they are not exhibiting ongoing biotic processes. They may be property but they are not persons. Have they souls? Hmmmm.
I mourn for those embies destroyed. Half of them may have been souls. (Of all embryos anywhere, including inside women’s tubes, only around half are ever viable into birth)
Once the desired number of children were conceived, the rest of the embryos would be destroyed.
I’m still waiting for the media, any media, to equate embryos with humans. This tragedy in Cleveland misses the point that lots of people won’t be able to conveniently conceive, but that THOUSANDS of embryos, who are already humans by every scientific definition, will undoubtedly be put in the garbage instead of being buried as most dead humans are.
Who’s representing or defending these unborn babies?
Yaelle: She was in a straw with another embryo who probably did not have the proper chromosomes to become a human with a soul. That little one was only able to divide for 3 weeks after implantation in my uterus. (Post #16)
Blue House Sue: (Post #9)
Mrs. Don-o: If they had their full diploid 46 chromosomes, they had mothers. And fathers. (Post #13)
hinckley buzzard: Where do you think the egg came from that was fertilized and grown into an embryo (Post #15)
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Y'alls concern is very touching, but your opinions are ill-founded on physical and/or Biblical facts.
(1) Regarding the female host, the ovum produced from one of her own cells is not an individual human, it is a haploid cell. Without fertilization, its purpose is not consummated. It is just discarded by normal physical processes as a dead cell, without life. It has no ongoing continuance, nor does it have a soul.
(2) Regarding the male contributor of spermatozoa, each sperm cell is also haploid, made from his own cells, and stored for injection into the female host environment. There is a plan designed by The Creator for the injection process. To initiate this process, to willfuly terminate it is displeasing to the Designer. Here's the Biblical concept:
Gen 38:6-10 AV:
6 "And Judah took a wife for Er his firstborn, whose name was Tamar.
7 And Er, Judah's firstborn, was wicked in the sight of the LORD; and the LORD slew him.
8 And Judah said unto Onan, Go in unto thy brother's wife, and marry her, and raise up seed to thy brother."
9 And Onan knew that the seed should not be his; and it came to pass, when he went in unto his brother's wife,
that he spilled it on the ground, lest that he should give seed to his brother.
10 And the thing which he did displeased the LORD: wherefore he slew him also.
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I believe this is how Jehovah looks at a male that does not plant his seed in the womb of his mate. But going on:
(3) If fertilized by one or more male spermatozoa, it undergoes formation of a diploid cell. It has no attachment, and without further development, it has no external source of nutrient. There are rate-controlled chemical processes going on but they need resupply of nutrients and elimination of waste products through the cell wall(s), or function will terminate by self-poisoning. If development thus ceases, it has no life. Though made of animate matter from which an individual can result, at this stage it has no soul, just self-propelled processes.
(4) But if the final meiosis and beginning of mitosis continues, one may say that a form of perpetuation, biosis, has started, and a creature is begun, though the form likely has no soul, as will be shown.
(5) The 8-celled (the 3rd generation of reproductive cell division) early morula stage of the in-vivo development of the zygote (click here) is reached.
(6) The differentiation of cell function begins to assert itself by the formation of a cavity with parts of the cell being external , exposed to nutrient-bearing fluids, andthe internal lining the cavity. But as yet, being far from the stage of veins, blood cells, attachment to the wall of the womb and formation of nutrient/gases interchange, it really cannot be said Biblically that life exists, for the Scriptures say:
Leviticus 17:11 AV:
11 "For the life of the flesh is in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement
for your souls: for it is the blood that maketh an atonement for the soul."
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(7) Life, the soul, and the blood are connected in the temporal sphere, according to God. Furthermore, it is the formed human (as compared to animal creatures which have biological life, but not spiritual life) to which God imparts the spirit of life, as shown in the introductory chapters of the Bible:
Genesis 2:7 AV:
7 "And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul."
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That is, it is Jehovah Elohim that gave the formed (functionally living?) human a soul that could imagine abstract things and relate to Him. So I believe that (a) when the male of mankind allows his seed to be used in a different way than te injection process that God designed, and (b) the female of mankind permits her contribution to be taken from its natural environment and impregnated with a male cell from who but God knows where, then suspended by stopping life processes until (c) a convenient time preferable to all involved, then (d) y'all are defeating God's purposes for you, and substituting man's will in place of His.
(8) Additionally, until the attachment to the womb and the formation of the umbilical system begins, I do not believe that the female can be termed "mother"; but rather more definitively a host.
Y'all are playing upon emotion and controverting the Biblical spiritual meaning of submitting to the LORD, as Sarah and Jacob and Hannah did. And even Sarah and Rebekah and Leah did execute their own plans to submit their will for God's plan for them, and look at the results!
(9) At the point of bringing the life process to a halt as has been done for these frozen supposed "embryos," you cannot convince me that any such cellular life had a soul or that it has as yet a mother. In fact, such a cellular unit could be placed in another female of whom none of the cell material comes from her as a host, and she will be the birth, and only real, mother. How does one know that there's been no mixup?
Sorry ladies, I think your compassion is misplaced and unscriptural.
(10) And if you were completely honest with yourself and the facts, you cannot really prove that the embryo placed in the woman is her own. As for fertilization, there have been more than one doctor in charge of the process whose semen fertilized many credulous women's ova, found out later by DNA testing.
So who do you think you are fooling by placing your stamp of approval on this whole ungodly process? We will all find out sometimes soon, but at least at the end, when our works shall be judged, you will know, even if it is between you and the God whose best plans for you were sidetracked.
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And as another thought, At what point did the genetic material into which the Spirit of Jehovah investing it become the Person Jesus? And don't try to convince me that the idea of it coming from Mary's own flesh was not just an unnecessary and uninformed theological invention, made necessary by the pride of refusing to recognize that the mystery was not yet revealed to them in their own historical moment.
Would Jehovah have taken one of Eve's ova and suspended it for a few thousand years until it was required for His Plan to be implemented by implanting it a hundred generations later in one of her many daughters? Some day it will be revealed to us. But now we know that is no longer impossible to ponder on.
You might want to think about that for a while.
All of us, having graduated successfully from 6th grade, know that a zygote is diploid (46 chromosomes) rather than haploid (23 chromosomes). A zygote is therefore a human offspring, having both a human genome and a human genetic father and mother.
All of us were once zygotes. This cannot be disputed.
As a zygote I was therefore a human life, using the only legitimate criteria for what a early human life IS, namely embryology.
As to our moral worth, it ought not to be disputed among Christians and Jews, that from Day One we are bearers of the Image and Likeness of God. We have the same status as all other humans, as regards our fundamental right, which is, a right not to be done to death by intent or by recklessness, active of passive abuse: a right to simply go on living.
These ghastly "labs" full of cryopreserved human lives should not even exist. They only exist now because the law regards our offspring as chattel.
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