Posted on 04/06/2018 5:23:04 PM PDT by ebb tide
Frankie is either stupid or evil.
“Both” is also a possibility.
Do Roman Catholics practice the rhythm method or NFP?
The OP is wrong in this assessment. The church I attend believes in life from the moment of fertilization to the end of life.
He is also incorrect on his statement regarding the RCC as "always" being against abortion.
Several historians have written[53][54][55] that prior to the 19th century most Catholic authors did not regard termination of pregnancy before "quickening" or "ensoulment" as an abortion.
Not only did they not view early abortions as being abortions, but many prominent Catholics saw nothing wrong with compiling lists of known abortifacient herbs and discovering new ones. For example, in her treatises the 12th century abbess and later saint Hildegard of Bingen recommended tansy as an effective abortifacient.[56] In the 13th century physician and cleric Peter of Spain wrote a book called Thesaurus Pauperum (literally Treasure of the Poor) containing a long list of early-stage abortifacients, including rue, pennyroyal, and other mints.[57]:205-211 Peter of Spain became Pope John XXI in 1276.
Some prominent theologians, such as John Chrysostom and Thomas Sanchez, believed that post-quickening abortion was less sinful than deliberate contraception.[58][59]:172,180 John Chrysostom believed that late-stage abortion was not as bad as deliberately killing an already-born person, whereas contraception was definitely worse than murder, according to him.[57]:98-99
Augustine believed that an early abortion is not murder because, according to the Aristotelian concept of delayed ensoulment, the soul of a fetus at an early stage is not present, a belief that passed into canon law.[23][24] Nonetheless, he harshly condemned the procedure: "Sometimes, indeed, this lustful cruelty, or if you please, cruel lust, resorts to such extravagant methods as to use poisonous drugs to secure barrenness; or else, if unsuccessful in this, to destroy the conceived seed by some means previous to birth, preferring that its offspring should rather perish than receive vitality; or if it was advancing to life within the womb, should be slain before it was born."(De Nube et Concupiscentia 1.17 (15))
Thomas Aquinas, Pope Innocent III, and Pope Gregory XIV also believed that a fetus does not have a soul until "quickening," or when the fetus begins to kick and move, and therefore early abortion was not murder, though later abortion was.[10][23][not in citation given] Aquinas held that abortion was still wrong, even when not murder, regardless of when the soul entered the body.[60] Pope Stephen V and Pope Sixtus V opposed abortion at any stage of pregnancy.[23][24]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Christian_thought_on_abortion#Early_Christianity
Does your "church" permit artificial contraception? Do you practice it?
First of all the two “methods” are one and the same. And NFP is not artificial.
Of course they do. My daughter had to sit through a course on “natural” family planning at her catholic college.
My church also believes in life from conception and that abortion is a sin.
Catholic natural family planning is a way to avoid or achieve pregnancy based on awareness of a woman’s fertility. This is not the “rhythm method!”
http://www.beginningcatholic.com/catholic-natural-family-planning
Apparently you're not well informed on this topic either.
The two are just a different means to the same end.
But contraception approved by the Roman Catholics is ok... Just like divorce approved by them (annulment) is OK. The hypocrisy is strong here...
Pope Francis is a diabolical dope, making him only slightly less dangerous than a diabolical genius. The terrifying thought is that his successor will be just as evil, but shrewder.
And I highly doubt you'll ever answer my question.
What does your “church” say about artificial contraception?
This is what the article was about.
The source was a Roman Catholic one...you did see that...right??
I guess there's another Roman Catholic institution you disagree with.
I really wonder if there is anything, or anyone, in Roman Catholicism that meets your approval.
I guess if it doesn't fit into your very narrow worldview then it is wrong.
Juno
It looks like I was right. You refuse to answer.
If you recall, I asked you first.
See my post 4 to you.
I also showed you where the OP was incorrect in his assertions.
Your church allows artificial birth control through either the rhythm method or NFP which both would go against prior Roman Catholic beliefs that sex that doesn't lead to pregnancy, or designed not to lead to pregnancy, was wrong.
In either case...it's birth control.
But like so much of Roman Catholicism you have to redefine the terms much as the RCC has done with divorce.
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