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Joyce Meyer Defends Tattoos, Says She Might Get One to Make Religious People Mad
Christian Post ^ | 03/30/2018 | Jeannie Law

Posted on 03/30/2018 9:25:33 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

During a recent conference, Christian speaker Joyce Meyer made a biblical case for getting tattoos and admitted she has been thinking of getting one herself just to shut the mouths of religious people.

The video clip posted by Joyce Meyer Ministries on March 14 kicks off with Meyer explaining the difference between being holy and religious.

"Holiness is not legalism," Meyer declared.

She went on to explain that religious people have made a mess of holiness by putting a bunch of rules and regulations on people. She listed drinking, dancing, wearing makeup and more among those rules.

Meyer quoted Isaiah 44:5 in defense of getting permanent markings. The scripture says, "One will say, I am the Lord's; and another will call himself by the name of Jacob; and another will write [even brand or tattoo] upon his hand, I am the Lord's, and surname himself by the [honorable] name of Israel."

She also shared the counterargument often used to discourage believers from getting tattoos found in Leviticus 19:28: "Do not cut your bodies for the dead, and do not mark your skin with tattoos. I am the LORD."

Televangelist Pat Robertson, among others, has cited Leviticus to argue that getting tattoos is a "heathen practice."

"You look at the Bible, the people are told not to mark their bodies and cut themselves like the heathen did. Tattooing is a heathen practice, it is not a Christian practice," Robertson said in 2016.

But Meyer rejected the argument and contended that God also tattooed those He loves to Himself.

"The Bible says in Isaiah 49 that God has a picture of you tattooed on the palm of His hand," she maintained.

"I'm right on the verge of going and getting a tattoo," she added, pointing to her shoulder blade. "I thought I might as well just push all the religious people right off the cliff and just get it over with."

Meyer said her ink would say, "I belong to the Lord." She admitted that her husband pushed back a bit on her stance but they realized it was just a religious stance stemming from legalism.

Evangelist Christine Caine, seated in the front row of the meeting, can be seen rooting Meyers on as she expressed her interest in getting a tattoo.

"Why would I do that (get a tattoo)? Just to make religious demons mad, no other reason," she maintained.

"I lived in so much bondage from legalism," Meyer revealed of her past. "Everything in legalism is about something you can not do. Let me tell you something — it is not boring to serve Christ, it is so much fun and there's so much you can do and not only that, you can enjoy all of it!"

The Saint Louis native pointed out that in Ezekiel 16:9-13 there was a big celebration and God put earrings and nose rings on the Israelites.

"Here's the bottom line, it's all about your motives and how you are doing things. We can't look at the outside of somebody and decide for ourselves that they're an evil person ... That's why so many people today don't want anything to do with the church 'cause all they get is criticism and judgement," she concluded.

The clip finished with Meyer encouraging those in attendance to pursue holiness but in freedom.

Hillsong New York City Pastor Carl Lentz has also defended Christians getting tattoos and addressed the criticism he often receives about his own markings. "Biblical interpretation is huge right? So with tattoos not being allowed you mean Leviticus. We play both sides of the coin I think that is healthy. Like this paradox of scripture, interpretation is actually is part of our faith, the tension of it. So, on one hand, we say that is the Old Testament scripture, there is no New Testament verification of that. That law that had to do with slaves, that identified you as part of a tribe we don't believe that came through the cross," Lentz told World Religion News last year.

"We don't believe that when Jesus died and rose again that old Levitical scripture applied to our modern life. That is ridiculous," the Virginia native argued. "At the same time, there are some things we do believe follow through on the cross. So the way we break down we would literally put up the Old Testament and then put a cross in the middle and then we put up the New Testament and we say anything that comes through the cross is eternal. Anything that stops is Old Testament."

Making the case against tattoos, some Christians have cited 1 Corinthians 10:23, pointing out that the question isn't about whether tattooing one's body is a "sin." But it's more about whether it's "a good and necessary thing to do."

Will Honeycutt, a professor at Liberty University, believes that while "the Bible does not explicitly forbid tattoos," Christians should remember that "the Bible has a high view of the body as God's handiwork, which is not to be disfigured."

Also, he argued, one should not get a tattoo out of rebellion. Rather, "our primary motive for anything we do should be to glorify God."

"Are you seeking to direct people's thoughts toward God or yourself?" Honeycutt posed.


TOPICS: Evangelical Christian; Moral Issues; Religion & Culture
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To: Hot Tabasco; BipolarBob
How many tats did Jesus or the Disciples get?

Assuming that they were observant Jews the answer would be none. A prohibited practice, Leviticus 19.28

161 posted on 03/30/2018 10:14:03 PM PDT by Pelham (California, a subsidiary of Mexico, Inc.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Romans 14:12-13 (NIV).

12 So then, each of us will give an account of ourselves to God. 13 Therefore let us stop passing judgment on one another. Instead, make up your mind not to put any stumbling block or obstacle in the way of a brother or sister.


162 posted on 03/30/2018 10:18:49 PM PDT by donna (Duisburg, Germany: 80 men brawl with MACHETES (Turks, Lebanese and Kurds)
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To: SeekAndFind

To separate themselves from the surrounding pagan cultures where tattooing was a common practice. For health reasons. And because we are created imago dei, and like the Greeks they regarded the practice as defiling the body.


163 posted on 03/30/2018 10:21:27 PM PDT by Pelham (California, a subsidiary of Mexico, Inc.)
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To: boatbums

Or call her Ali Baba.


164 posted on 03/30/2018 10:36:17 PM PDT by imardmd1 (Fiat Lux)
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To: metmom
Tell them, MM, that if one is saved, continuing to deliberately displease or disobey God will not cause Him to rescind the gift, but it may bring chastening, even unto physical death.

The spiritual person who desires the abundant life will search the Word to find ways to please The Father and be an effective witness to the Truth of His Son. That is true holiness.

165 posted on 03/30/2018 10:46:16 PM PDT by imardmd1 (Fiat Lux)
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To: SeekAndFind

This is a great example of why Paul didn’t allow women to preach. ;O)


166 posted on 03/31/2018 3:05:29 AM PDT by HarleyD ("There are very few shades of grey."-Dr. Eckleburg)
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To: boatbums

I wonder how many people think about what their tatioos will look like when they are old and have wrinkled, crepy skin.

Most tatoos I’ve seen don’t look good anyways.


167 posted on 03/31/2018 4:24:12 AM PDT by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith..)
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To: SeekAndFind; redleghunter; Springfield Reformer; kinsman redeemer; BlueDragon; metmom; boatbums; ...
OK, some people might say that the above only applies to Ancient Israel and does not apply to Christians today because Christians are not under Old Testament Law. But why do you suppose it was forbidden then?

I think because it signified a demonic pagan practice of engaging in such permanent bodily mutilation. Which often is the result of impulsivity.

As is usually the case with such women preachers which think it is orthodox to be pastors over me,, their own teaching serves as examples why WOMEN PASTORS UNBIBLICAL

Meyer quoted Isaiah 44:5 in defense of getting permanent markings.

One shall say, I am the Lord's; and another shall call himself by the name of Jacob; and another shall subscribe with his hand unto the Lord, and surname himself by the name of Israel. (Isaiah 44:5)

But contrary to the take of Meyers, the classic scholars Keil & Delitzsch, Commentary on the Old Testament, state concerning this,

But apart from the fact that kâthabh, with an accusative of the writing materials, would be unprecedented (the construction required would be עַל־יָדוֹ), this view is overthrown by the fact that tatooing was prohibited by the Israelitish law (Lev_19:28; compare the mark of the beast in Rev_13:16). בשׁם קרא is interchanged with בסם כִּנָּה, to surname, or entitle (the Syriac and Arabic are the same; compare the Arabic kunye, the name given to a man as the father of such and such a person, e.g., Abu-Muhammed, rhetorically called metonymy).

And as Albert Barnes states,

The mark, or writing, was not on the hand, but with it - literally, ‘and this shall write his hand to Yahweh; ‘and the figure is evidently taken from the mode of making a contract or bargain, where the name is subscribed to the instrument. It was a solemn compact or covenant, by which they enrolled themselves among the worshippers of God, and pledged themselves to his service.

The manner of a contract among the Hebrews is described in Jer_32:10, Jer_32:12, Jer_32:44. A public, solemn, and recorded covenant, to which the names of princes, Levites, and priests, were subscribed, and which was sealed, by which they bound themselves to the service of God, is mentioned in Neh_9:38. Here it denotes the solemn manner in which they would profess to be worshippers of the true God; and it is expressive of the true nature of a profession of religion.

The Saint Louis native pointed out that in Ezekiel 16:9-13 there was a big celebration and God put earrings and nose rings on the Israelites.

Then washed I thee with water; yea, I throughly washed away thy blood from thee, and I anointed thee with oil. I clothed thee also with broidered work, and shod thee with badgers' skin, and I girded thee about with fine linen, and I covered thee with silk. I decked thee also with ornaments, and I put bracelets upon thy hands, and a chain on thy neck. And I put a jewel on thy forehead, and earrings in thine ears, and a beautiful crown upon thine head. Thus wast thou decked with gold and silver; and thy raiment was of fine linen, and silk, and broidered work; thou didst eat fine flour, and honey, and oil: and thou wast exceeding beautiful, and thou didst prosper into a kingdom. (Ezekiel 16:9-13)

Rather than there literally being a big celebration where God put earrings and nose rings on the Israelites, which thus would provide precedent for such, this is not literal language, but metaphorical, and thus precedes with,

Now when I passed by thee, and looked upon thee, behold, thy time was the time of love; and I spread my skirt over thee, and covered thy nakedness: yea, I sware unto thee, and entered into a covenant with thee, saith the Lord GOD, and thou becamest mine. (Ezekiel 16:8)

"Spread my skirt over thee: " is a euphemism for conjugal consummation of marriage, and if Meyers wants to this to affirm literal tattoos, then she can also sanction the idea in Mormonism of how the virgin Mary became pregnant.

168 posted on 03/31/2018 5:34:56 PM PDT by daniel1212 (Trust the risen Lord Jesus to save you as a damned and destitute sinner + be baptized + follow Him)
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To: BipolarBob
How many tats did Jesus or the Disciples get?

From henceforth let no man trouble me: for I bear in my body the marks of the Lord Jesus. (Galatians 6:17)

I do not see a market for these kind today.

169 posted on 03/31/2018 6:17:55 PM PDT by daniel1212 (Trust the risen Lord Jesus to save you as a damned and destitute sinner + be baptized + follow Him)
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To: SeekAndFind
Joyce Meyer Defends Tattoos, Says She Might Get One to Make Religious People Mad

O...
K...

If that'll float yer boat.

170 posted on 03/31/2018 6:51:38 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: SeekAndFind
But why do you suppose it was forbidden then?

Does, "GOD said so." count?

Remember that, "Do not eat of the tree" thing early in Genesis?

171 posted on 03/31/2018 6:53:13 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: NorthstarMom

Why can’t they use a Sharpie for the image for a while?


172 posted on 03/31/2018 6:58:21 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Robert DeLong

To have a tattoo where YOU cannot see it show that you have a desire to looked at by others; and you feel that you aren’t interesting enough the way GOD created you.


173 posted on 03/31/2018 7:00:36 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Robert DeLong
Should I look ahead in this thread to see if the Cat Lady is shown?

Ya just KNOW this thing is going to escalate!!

;^)

174 posted on 03/31/2018 7:01:47 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Robert DeLong

How about Lizard Man?

He show up yet??


175 posted on 03/31/2018 7:02:20 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: j. earl carter
Seems to me, the sexiest a woman can get is when she steps out of the shower.

Butt Hillary would slip out of the shower...

176 posted on 03/31/2018 7:06:35 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Bubba Ho-Tep

Then there is that Onan thing...


177 posted on 03/31/2018 7:08:33 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: boatbums

“Oh Doctor!

I’m so depressed and no longer want to live.

How do I shoot myself with my recently, dearly departed husband’s pistol to be most effective?”

“Oh Mrs. Smith; you really shouldn’t be thinking that way. But if you really want to know; shoot yourself an inch below your left breast.”

The next day, the doctor read in the paper of an elderly that had blown off her kneecap in a shooting accident.


178 posted on 03/31/2018 7:13:09 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

Not yet!


179 posted on 03/31/2018 7:14:47 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

I wish they would!


180 posted on 03/31/2018 8:10:30 PM PDT by NorthstarMom
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