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From an early age when I thought abuot those words in the Lord’s Prayer I thought it odd that God would ever tempt me. God wanted me to be good, so why would he put temptation in my way?

A trial makes more sense. Good does put us through trials from time to time. Disease, financial hardships, death of a loved one and many others.

Praying that we not be put through painful trials makes sense.

1 posted on 01/11/2018 7:10:54 PM PST by Pontiac
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To: Salvation; nickcarraway

Catholic ping

Being a Tolkien fan I found it interesting.


2 posted on 01/11/2018 7:13:23 PM PST by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit.L)
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To: Pontiac

Everyone overreacted when Pope Francis said what he said. This debate about the translation of the Pater Noster has been going on for a very long time.

Raïssa Maritain made some remarks about this and she died in 1960: https://www3.nd.edu/~maritain/jmc/etext/notlp07.htm

Another good article on this with the relevant Greek and Latin: https://www.newcriterion.com/blogs/dispatch/lead-us-not-into-mistranslation


3 posted on 01/11/2018 7:31:49 PM PST by vladimir998 (Apparently I'm still living in your head rent free. At least now it isn't empty.)
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To: Pontiac

Tolkien didn’t propose changing the English translation to sound like the even less-accurate Spanish-based translation Pope Francis favors, though.


4 posted on 01/11/2018 9:06:04 PM PST by Fedora
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http://biblehub.com/greek/3986.htm

Strong's Concordance

peirasmos: an experiment, a trial, temptation
Original Word: πειρασμός, οῦ, ὁ
Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine
Transliteration: peirasmos
Phonetic Spelling: (pi-ras-mos')
Short Definition: trial, testing, temptation
Definition: (a) trial, probation, testing, being tried, (b) temptation, (c) calamity, affliction.

HELPS Word-studies

Cognate: 3986 peirasmós (from 3985 /peirázō) – temptation or test – both senses can apply simultaneously (depending on the context). The positive sense ("test") and negative sense ("temptation") are functions of the context (not merely the words themselves).

5 posted on 01/12/2018 3:45:08 AM PST by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith..)
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