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beleive on the Lord Jesus Christ- and thou shalt be saved.

Metanoia means a transformative change of heart

a Transformative change of the heart is simply going from denying that Christ is Lord to one where you accept Him as Lord and Savior- You believe He existed, and is Savior, and has a Sovereign right to expect that we accept Him in order to be saved.

Some preach that you must renounce all sin before you can be saved- (something called lordship salvation)- this isn’t true- God saves sinners, not perfect people- if we were capable of renouncing all sin, then we would not need a savior- Al that God asks of us is to have a transformation view of His Son- to believe that He truly is the Christ who died for our sins.

Metanoia means to have a ‘change of mind’ to go from thinking “God You have no right to demand that I believe that Christ was God” to “God I humbly accept that Christ is God and that I need to accept Him as Savior in order to be saved” - that’s it-

The modern worn for Metanoia is Repentance- Repentance does NOT mean you must become sinless in order to be saved (such nonsense is preached by lordship salvation preachers)- it does NOT mean you must turn from all your sins before Christ will save you- Repentance does NOT mean you must do a complete U-Turn from sin before God will accept you- Repentance simply means that you must have a change of heart about Christ-

Repentance means that you stop trying to save yourself by your good works- and you accept that you infact can not save yourself, and accept that only Christ can save you- this is the ‘Change of Heart’ that Metanoia is talking about

Metanoia/Repentance means that you accept that you are a sinner in need of salvation- many folks think they are ok because they ‘don’t do such and such’ and that God will accept them on the person’s terms- This is a stubborn and rebellious “Self-Righteous” mind that must be changed before a person can be saved- and only God can bring that change of mind- the sinner is not capable of having that change of mind on his or her own- their sin nature won’t allow it-

As Dr. Mark G. Cambron puts it:

[[The Greek word for repent is metanoeo, which, translated into English is: to change ones mind. It does not mean to turn from sin. That would add works to salvation.

Repentance for salvation means a change of mind from men’s ideas of salvation and religion, to an acceptance of Gods only way of salvation.

Many teach repentance for salvation incorrectly, by including some form of human effort or righteousness, such as willingness to turn from sin, or turning from sin. This is heresy and has confused many people. It adds works to salvation and causes many to not understand Gods great gift. It is probation, not salvation. It is completely unscriptural. It is Galatianism and a counterfeit of the gospel.]]

When you add self effort to salvation- you ‘salvation’ is conditional upon your efforts- if you fail (and you WILL fail) you have proven, ‘in the eyes of lordship salvation preachers’, that you were not serious about your salvation works when you became saved. Such preaching is heresy. God never ever requires us to give up sins in order to be saved- And He tells us that salvation is eternal and NOT conditional upon our works-

Salvation simply means Metanoia/Repentance, which simply means, as Dr Cambron points out, “to change ones mind. It does not mean to turn from sin. That would add works to salvation.”

That isnt Lordship salvation the way you described it.
Yes we are to denounce all sin BUT what does that mean? It means Gods way is best, that to transgress His laws is sinful and so someone who is a believer MUST denounce all sin BUT know that, as you rightly said we are not perfect. We will still sin and when I do I run to the cross for forgiveness. BUT i still need to denounce all sin in that it is evil. Denouncing all sin doesnt mean that one will live a sinless life.

In your description of Lordship Salvation I believe you do not understand it. It simply means that when one becomes a believer in Christ they will act like it. They will walk in a manner worthy of Christ. They will walk daily one step in faith and one step in repentance. They will strive to live for God and obey Him NOT as a means for salvation or for forgiveness but rather BECAUSE they are saved and forgiven. They do it out of love for What Christ has done and what the Father has provided in the death of His Son and because of the application of that salvation by the Spirit. They will walk in newness of life knowing that there will be a struggle between the flesh and the Spirit for their lives. They will know that they cannot have Jesus as Saviour UNLESS they have Him as Lord as well.

The position of the “non-Lordship” perspective is that Jesus can be your “Saviour” but you never have to accept Him as Lord of your life. That one can say a prayer, walk an aisle and live like a “hellion” even though they claim Christ as Saviour. That “doctrine” and way of thinking has tarnished the church.

The whole biblical concept of repentance is a turning from sin. Yes it involves a change of mind BUT that chnage of mind leads to a newness of life where the sin we once held dear is not noxious and reprehensible to us. This of course doesnt happen right away but rather does over time in a christians life.

The main points of differentiation between the 2 views is that the Lordship position takes the verses,,,I have been crucified with Christ, i no longer but Christ lives in me...at face value. If one claims to be a believer..act like it.

Repentance means that you stop trying to save yourself by your good works...

Repentance means what the Messiah said it means.

And unto the angel of the church in Sardis write; These things saith he that hath the seven Spirits of God, and the seven stars; I know thy works, that thou hast a name that thou livest, and art dead. Be watchful, and strengthen the things which remain, that are ready to die: for I have not found thy works perfect before God. Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee. Thou hast a few names even in Sardis which have not defiled their garments; and they shall walk with me in white: for they are worthy. He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels. He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.

Revelation, Catholic chapter three, Protestant verses one to six,
as authorized, but not authored, by King James

Your understanding of Lordship Salvation is way off ... so much that your recitation of what you think the position espouses is borderline slander. While you may disagree with JMac's conclusions ... he doesn't even come close to what you are claiming.

Do you really believe that you can continue to live in adultery after you profess Christ because you don't have to renounce sin?

Apparently the author you quoted has never read what Christ told the woman caught in adultery ... "go and sin no more" ... He didn't say "go, and don't worry about your adultery, you don't have to give that up."

Repentance is more than simply 'change your mind' about something ... it involves the will. Are you going to council a young man who has just received Christ that he doesn't have to stop living with his girlfriend? That God doesn't require him to stop having sex outside of marriage? No, you wouldn't ...

If you were laying on the railroad tracks and suddenly changed your mind about the wisdom of where you nap ... your change of mind does you no good unless you get up off of the tracks. If you don't get off the tracks you will be run over ... even though you changed your mind about the wisdom of laying on those RR tracks.

This is why repentance is often in the imperative mood in the New Testament ... i.e. it is a command ... not merely a suggestion. As a matter of fact, repentance is an ongoing circumstance for a believer. Jesus commanded the churches in Rev. 2-3 to repent ... they were already believers and He told them to repent. Yes, He WAS telling them to give up specific sins ... go look it up.

Here are a couple passages to consider ...

2 Pet 3:9, Acts 2:38, Mark 1:15, Acts 17:30, Acts 20:21, Matt 3:2, Heb 6:1, Matt 4:17

Finally, I include 2 Cor 12:20-21 in case some would say repentance is merely a change in your mind ... it clearly means 'change your mind and stop doing something against Gods law.'

When you add self effort to salvation- you ‘salvation’ is conditional upon your efforts-

Was there any effort on your part to believe in Jesus Christ? the reason i ask this is because i tried my best not to believe.

Did you believe in him by choice or was it against your will or desires?

I suppose when it comes time for some one to stop sinning God will give them a way out of it but they will start living for Christ rather than their own lusts of the flesh.

Romans 7:15
I do not understand what I do. For what I want to do I do not do, but what I hate I do.

And that is also what we must do, hate our sins, a true believer would not brag about them or verbally condone them.

Jesus taught against sin but he also taught that having sin in our hearts was just as bad as actually committing sin.

So i certainly would not preach it but maybe committing the sin would show some people that it was not so great as we thought it would be.

Just a thought.

Sometimes it is easier to approach a doctrine from a different doctrinal perspective.

Consider Judgment and Forgiveness.

Salvation is a state which returns us from a state of Condemnation. All humans were condemned after the Fall in the Garden. (This is not predestination, rather our natural state in our anthropology since the Garden.)

Salvation occurs when we are forgiven our sins by His Grace.

If we are not forgiven, He is not free to give us salvation and remain inerrant.

So how and when are we forgiven?

The Cross was all Judgment. All sins, past, present, and future, were placed on Christ on the Cross and His soul was judged for them. The Judgment has already occured, yet all mankind is still in a state of condemnation until we are forgiven.

When we face God, turn away from anything that is not His Plan (sin), and believe/place faith in what He performed on the Cross, that Judgment, and then confess our sins to Him, Through faith in what happened at the Cross,.....then He is free to forgive us those sins.

So yes, prayer is involved in salvation, as it is how we communicate with God the Father, through faith in Christ.