Posted on 11/03/2017 7:30:50 AM PDT by detective
Does he need to ask permission from his subordinates? Can't he just issue a papal decree or something?
True, that is in scripture, but since Catholics hold church tradition and scripture as equal authority, who really knows...
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At that time in history wives were absent from most written histories. I think the best assumption is that they had normal, conjugal marriages.
“the custom was a corruption of the earlier practice, namely that from the earliest centuries married clergy were to maintain strict continence if their wives lived with them”
I seriously doubt that the majority of married priests ever lived completely celibate marriages. It goes against logic, common sense and human nature.
Martin Luther said celibacy was against human nature and lead to corruption. That is one of the reasons for the popularity of the Protestant reformation.
http://www.lutheranlayman.com/2015/07/martin-luther-celibacy-is-contrary-to.html
The church is the bride of Christ, not the bride of the priest.
The Catholic priest is an alter Christus.
Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons, speaking lies in hypocrisy, having their own conscience seared with a hot iron, forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from foods which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and know the truth.
I don’t get why priests don’t marry in the first place. Aren’t they supposed to be Pope-esque? The Pope doesn’t marry. Isn’t the story that the Pope is Peter? Peter had a wife.
When was this 'wedding' that ended in a 'd i v o r c e'
... Jeremiah3: 1 They say, If a man put away his wife, and she go from him, and become another man's, shall he return unto her again? shall not that land be greatly polluted? but thou hast played the harlot with many lovers; yet return again to me, saith the Lord.They say: Heb. Saying
2Lift up thine eyes unto the high places, and see where thou hast not been lien with. In the ways hast thou sat for them, as the Arabian in the wilderness; and thou hast polluted the land with thy whoredoms and with thy wickedness.
3Therefore the showers have been withholden, and there hath been no latter rain; and thou hadst a whore's forehead, thou refusedst to be ashamed.
4Wilt thou not from this time cry unto me, My father, thou art the guide of my youth?
5Will he reserve his anger for ever? will he keep it to the end? Behold, thou hast spoken and done evil things as thou couldest.
6The Lord said also unto me in the days of Josiah the king, Hast thou seen that which backsliding Israel hath done? she is gone up upon every high mountain and under every green tree, and there hath played the harlot.
7And I said after she had done all these things, Turn thou unto me. But she returned not. And her treacherous sister Judah saw it.
8And I saw, when for all the causes whereby backsliding Israel committed adultery I had put her away, and given her a bill of divorce; yet her treacherous sister Judah feared not, but went and played the harlot also.
I was referring to Christ the Lord, not a priest.
What, Popes don’t get to issue executive orders?
But Jesus did not and He is the model.
I want to go back to pre-Vatican II
Peter was married and according to plain scripture a bishop or Deacon is supposed to have only one wife, which means it is ok to be married.
He’s treating the bible like obama treats the constitution.
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I think the article is misleading. It has never been permissible for a deacon or priest to get married, ever. What had been allowed in the past was for a married man to be ordained a priest or deacon.
Perhaps, although women feature prominently in the Gospels, especially in John's. But mere speculation makes little for doctrines or disciplines later on.
I seriously doubt that the majority of married priests ever lived completely celibate marriages. It goes against logic, common sense and human nature.
I would think you're right, and the history of the early church bears it out -- It's not right to ask someone to live in such an arrangement. This is why we saw clerical wives placed in monasteries in earlier centuries; and in the later centuries enforcement of celibacy in the West and normalization of non-continent married clergy in the East. But it was the idea of married clerics living together in conjugal relationships with wives that was the later corruption of the older tradition, and in the West, an illicit corruption.
Martin Luther said celibacy was against human nature and lead to corruption. That is one of the reasons for the popularity of the Protestant reformation.
The reasons for the popularity of the Protestant reformation are extremely complex and have less to do with Luther's theological prowess or Biblical truth than their usefulness in the political struggles between Germanic noblemen together with their churchmen vs. the centralized Papacy. While Luther had some complaints that had merit, they could have been addressed from within the Catholic Church (and were in the post-Tridentine era).
Luther's view that celibacy is against human nature and leads to corruption says more subjectively about his own shortcomings and inability to deal with them than about the general state of human nature. Explanations of celibacy not being inconsistent with Scripture come from other voices throughout the history of the Church, including Protestant ones, and ones that view the biological side of that human nature.
Have we no right to food and to drink? Have we no right to take along a believing wife, as do the other apostles and the Lord’s brothers and Cephas? (I Cor. 9:4,5)
Christ has a bride, the Church.
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