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Dan Brown: AI and “collective consciousness” will replace God
Reuters ^ | October 12, 2017 | Douglas Busvine

Posted on 10/12/2017 7:05:04 AM PDT by St. Louis Conservative

Turning to the future, Brown said technological change and the development of artificial intelligence would transform the concept of the divine.

"We will start to find our spiritual experiences through our interconnections with each other," he said, forecasting the emergence of "some form of global consciousness that we perceive and that becomes our divine".

"Our need for that exterior god, that sits up there and judges us ... will diminish and eventually disappear."

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TOPICS: General Discusssion; Religion & Culture; Religion & Science; Skeptics/Seekers
KEYWORDS: ai; artificialintel; atheism; bicameralmind; consciousness; evetheory; futurism; globalconsciousness; religion; replacegod; technology
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To: CptnObvious

How many time in history that God has been replaced?


41 posted on 10/12/2017 8:35:38 AM PDT by Parmy
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To: St. Louis Conservative
"Our need for that exterior god, that sits up there and judges us ... will diminish and eventually disappear."

If there is anything any more anti-Christ in the world today, I don't know what it is. Dan Brown must be possessed.

42 posted on 10/12/2017 8:41:15 AM PDT by backwoods-engineer (Trump won; we got Gorsuch and a bit of the MAGA agenda. But now the Swamp is back in control.)
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To: St. Louis Conservative
Reminiscent of an old Isaac Asimov story "The Last Question" where a computer was the last thing left in what had been the Universe and after mulling things over for millennia, said, "Let the be light"....

AI may replace God in some folks' minds but they will be very disappointed somewhere down the road....

43 posted on 10/12/2017 8:46:48 AM PDT by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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To: St. Louis Conservative

I understand, and the Nazis said we have better weapons of killing, and the Ottomans said we have control over their areas, and the Romans said we have all the swords.

Each group had what they considered the unbeatable combination of anti-Judeo-Christian hate and the technology to do it.

Voltaire believed that the printing press would tell the world about the evils of Christianity and bring about its death. In actuality, the printing press became the greatest tool the world had ever seen for the promulgation of the faith.


44 posted on 10/12/2017 8:47:08 AM PDT by wbarmy (I chose to be a sheepdog once I saw what happens to the sheep.)
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To: St. Louis Conservative

Nohting new from Brown and his ilk. The Jacobins made Notre Dame into a Temple to Reason. Rousseau talked about a general will.


45 posted on 10/12/2017 8:48:22 AM PDT by C19fan
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To: St. Louis Conservative

I don’t think God is planning on handing off power to anyone. Much less a crappy computer.


46 posted on 10/12/2017 9:42:20 AM PDT by lerker
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To: St. Louis Conservative

Software engineer. Tools and backend mostly. With extended experience with geographic data such as that found in digital maps and google earth and gps nav systems etc.


47 posted on 10/12/2017 10:19:06 AM PDT by AndyTheBear
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To: St. Louis Conservative

Rather than serving and obeying the God who created us in His image, people like Brown want to create a god in their own image who will serve them and do what they tell him (or her) to do.

God intervenes in human history. He did not allow Adam and Eve to eat of the tree of life after they sinned. He did not allow mankind under the leadership of Nimrod to achieve immortality, omniscience, or omnipotence. He put a stop to their actions. He will intervene again when the time is right.


48 posted on 10/12/2017 10:21:23 AM PDT by unlearner (You will never come to know that which you do not know until you first know that you do not know it.)
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To: St. Louis Conservative
Are you familiar with Kurzweil and his concept of the “singularity”?<./i>

Don't know the name. Did a quick web search to see what he is about and found this:

http://www.kurzweilai.net/the-law-of-accelerating-returns

I might read it after work.

49 posted on 10/12/2017 10:26:51 AM PDT by AndyTheBear
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To: AndyTheBear

Nice. Yes a central tenet of Kurzweil’s ideology is that Moore’s Law applies indefinitely into the future and that exponential increases in tech will bring about a super intelligent AI that will have power over everything including life and death.


50 posted on 10/12/2017 11:43:50 AM PDT by St. Louis Conservative
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To: St. Louis Conservative

666 = Man is Father, Man is Son, Man is Holy Spirit


51 posted on 10/12/2017 12:02:16 PM PDT by Jan_Sobieski (Sanctification)
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To: St. Louis Conservative

I dunno, I just get a little nervous when somebody pops up with “And ye shall be as gods”. It’s almost like I heard that somewhere before...


52 posted on 10/12/2017 12:06:27 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: St. Louis Conservative
Turning to the future, Brown said technological change and the development of artificial intelligence would transform the concept of the divine.

Heard this old line before.

Technology going back to the last century was suppose to "kill" G@d.

First telescopes(see into the Heavens), then going into space(Where is G@d?) and now, IT. Forgot Freud and Nietzsche was to explain why mankind created God is.

Funny how how these "social prognosticators" are always wrong and conveniently forget their predictions.

Just like Global Warming.

Oh, and Dan Brown is a turd as well as an thief

53 posted on 10/12/2017 1:18:50 PM PDT by RedMonqey (` Res Ipsa Loquitor.)
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To: St. Louis Conservative
Nice. Yes a central tenet of Kurzweil’s ideology is that Moore’s Law applies indefinitely into the future and that exponential increases in tech will bring about a super intelligent AI that will have power over everything including life and death.

Still haven't read it, but I am skeptical about people that think they can track how fast and in what ways technology will advance.

Even tracking my own work, I find it very difficult to give an accurate guess as to when I will be done. And its not just me, it effects just about all software engineers.

Thinking at a high level and looking to the horizon is easy...implementation is something else. There are always details you didn't think through when looking at the big picture that you must deal with.

While technology can surprise you too. Something software tool developed with one purpose in mind can turn out to be useful in ways that the designer did not think of. Future tech may be amazing in ways we have not thought of....but the easy obvious predictions like flying cars and computers that operate as humans...is likely not going to be what happens.

54 posted on 10/12/2017 3:56:52 PM PDT by AndyTheBear
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To: St. Louis Conservative
Have not read it all yet, but wow the guy has a big hammer...which he pounds everything he sees into his model with.

There is some truth and insight. Particularly technology does accelerate by enabling other technology and paradigms certainly shifts will take over when a certain approach has been optimized.

But he seems to have a sloppy mystical idea of "progress" that is nothing I have not seen some people go on about before. There are trade-offs in technology. We regress as we progress.

We have faster access to information. But less patience. We have better health, but more suicides. We have faster cars and taller buildings, but less green and less peace.

Not all the trade offs are as poetic as those. I have not spent as much time thinking about them as this guy obviously has...but its disturbing to me that he mentioned not even these simple ones...its like he has his grand vision and inconvenient facts be damned.

He also seems to conflate many concepts together to make his point: From abiogenesis as part of evolution to processing power being the essence of mind. Also his assessment of the human brain's current capacity made me shake my head...because he seemed to skip recent theories that the brain uses quantum computing already. Which has not been proved, but is at least a topic in neurology that even a complete layman like myself has heard of...but the omission seems to help make the idea that computers will "surpass us" easier.

55 posted on 10/12/2017 9:30:24 PM PDT by AndyTheBear
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Doubtful destruction of their ideals is part of the calculus. They’ll learn.


56 posted on 10/13/2017 2:48:03 AM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: RedMonqey

Dan Brown’s view is that religion will never survive “science”. And that super intelligent AI wisdom will “replace” God as AI reveals the origin and nature of life and creation (obvious in Brown’s view it will have nothing to do with God).


57 posted on 10/13/2017 4:43:59 AM PDT by St. Louis Conservative
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To: Parmy

In Dan Browns latest novel “Origin” he makes the argument that AI and science can explain the origin of life and all of life’s mysteries, thus rendering religion and God “obsolete”.

This is a very common belief among many atheist/agnostics nowadays. And it’s being pushed in pop culture quite heavily (did you see HBO’s Westworld?).


58 posted on 10/13/2017 4:54:20 AM PDT by St. Louis Conservative
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To: AndyTheBear

Thanks for the thoughtful response.

Kurzweil, Musk, and their ilk truly believe that Tech and super AI will eventually reveal all of the mysteries of the universe, including the origin of the universe and of life, thus “eliminating” God and religion. In their view humanity is destined to evolve beyond our biological existence into a Silicon life form, shedding our mortal bodies altogether and our consciousness living forever in a machine.

It’s a dystopian ideology to me, but it has a growing number of adherents.


59 posted on 10/13/2017 6:48:05 AM PDT by St. Louis Conservative
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Its a bit too late to elimnate God, since He is an ontological reality. Early modern scientists had established this even as the birthed modern science. I think Descartes proofs of God airtight, albeit difficult to understand. Leibnitz cosmological argument may be more convincing than Descartes, in that its way easier to grasp. But it is not as airtight. Descartes did his without even acceoting common premise such as the reality if the material world we seem to exoerience with our senses.

These modernists should do the math on God first.

60 posted on 10/13/2017 8:02:48 AM PDT by AndyTheBear
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