Posted on 10/09/2017 11:47:22 PM PDT by Sontagged
In July 1980, Bryan Melvin drank cholera-tainted water and died.
He was transported to Hell where he saw many people being tormented for their sins, including someone he identified as Hitler.
A Land Unknown: Hell's Dominion (Bryan Melvin's Book) on Amazon https://www.amazon.com/Hell-Back-Bryan-Melvin/dp/B001T9O68S http://www.10LoveCommandments.com
And you have a deluded metaphysical understanding about the word death as well.
Why would you want to teach that the soul is unconscious in Hell?
And death is mentioned quite a bit in the bible. It’s an easy to study word in all of its iterations and meanings.
How about Truth? Is God’s Word Truth or not?
i.e. it is not complete truth. It’s why John was told to seal up what was said by the seven thunders.
So, because of word games and a misunderstanding of the Law, you don’t believe anything in the Bible is everlasting or eternal or forever?
No, a deluded understanding as in “God will send strong delusion on those who no longer love the Truth”.
You have only linked to articles and displayed a cultist’s genuflection for some aberrant teaching.
But let’s get back to answering my questions:
How about Truth? Is God’s Word Truth or not?
Please take the bait and tell us how you are mincing words and parsing out the meaning of “truth”.
Next, are you filled with the Holy Spirit? Do you believe the gifts are for today as prophesied by the prophet Joel and then, Peter confirming?
What is your stand on the existence of the Devil, since all things in Hell aren’t really conscious or there anymore?
Wow. Like I said, may the Lord rebuke you and Satan using you for his ends.
"What is Truth?" This type of thinking is not Christian and you obviously do not know Christ.
In concept at least, for faithful Christians, the supernatural was nevertheless pervasive in the form of the struggle between good and evil, with good personified by Christ and the Trinity, along with angels, saints, and the Church and clergy as Christ's representatives on earth. I am reminded of Millet's painting "The Angelus" and its depiction of a farm couple pausing in their work in a field to recite the traditional three times daily devotion to Mary's acceptance of the Incarnation.
Yet even as Millet painted The Angelus in the middle of the 11th Century, the traditional Christian view of the supernatural was under assault. In the modern era, mainline Christians -- Protestants especially -- came to scorn the supernatural and saw traditional Christianity and Catholicism especially as beset by superstition. Scientific explanations were sought and accepted for natural mysteries. NDEs were mostly ignored as a trivial matter awaiting an eventual explanation by science.
Yet, as you suggest, the supernatural cannot be dismissed and keeps intruding on human experience. Many of the children and grandchildren of the secularized and material minded Christians of the 1950s explored the supernatural through New Age philosophies and practices -- but then recognized or collided with its sinister aspects. They found their way to evangelical Christianity or at least a renewed appreciation of traditional faith.
The long disfavored Catholic rite of exorcism experienced a wave of new demand as a result of New Age spiritualism. And even the modernist Pope Francis is a major advocate of exorcism and has expanded its availability and use. There are also numerous Evangelical and freelance exorcists these days.
As for NDEs and the like, there are now accounts by medical personnel of unusual events they have experienced tending to dying patients. In some instances, patients even pass on messages for medical personnel. Alas, I know of only one instance in which a lottery winner described having been told in a dream the winning combination of numbers by her recently deceased father.
Please take the bait and tell us how you are mincing words and parsing out the meaning of “truth”.
The bible was written for simple man, and confuses the wisdom of the world. I’m not the one mincing words when I interpret death to mean “death”.
What is your stand on the existence of the Devil, since all things in Hell aren’t really conscious or there anymore?
Like I said, may the Lord rebuke you and Satan using you for his ends.
Interesting.
Can there be Evil without Good?
Does Satan exist?
Can Satan exist without God?
Can God exist without Satan?
FWIW, A few years ago HBO put out a Mini-series, True Detective.
The lead character found Christ only after kicking and screaming and coming face to face with Satan.
IMHO, it was very well done.
Philosophy of True Detective Season 1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pqovhbrNsbo
You do realize you just repeated Pontious Pilate’s response to Jesus:
“What is Truth?” This type of thinking is not Christian and you obviously do not know Christ.
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i.e. I did not say “what is truth”. I said the bible is not the complete truth. What do I base this on? The bible:
1 Corinthians 13:12King James Version (KJV)
For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.
See the words “in part”.
And this:
Revelation 10:4King James Version (KJV)
And when the seven thunders had uttered their voices, I was about to write: and I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Seal up those things which the seven thunders uttered, and write them not.
Here John is told to not give us specific information.
i.e. the bible is not the “complete” truth. It says so, right in the bible.
Have you read the work of Michael Newton and Brian L. Weiss? They used hypnotherapy in a clinical setting to recover accounts of past lives, life between lives, and even hints of future lives. Newton offers a description of the general scheme of things as being that we progress through a series of arranged and agreed to reincarnations, usually in company with a preferred group of souls.
Perhaps the spiritual is material in the sense that what we see as supernatural is material but beyond our current understanding. If so, then human life and our individual existence and consciousness may be emergent phenomena based on the Universe's material substance and its framework of physics rules. Perhaps not only did God create the Universe, but the Universe requires God in order to function properly.
You have only linked to articles and displayed a cultist’s genuflection for some aberrant teaching.
What I’ve noticed is that you have not used any scripture to support your viewpoint. In fact, your main argument, utterly unsupported, I might add, is that I’m wrong.
That’s like a Catholic saying I’m wrong to believe that Mary was a virgin until her death, though a plain reading of scripture supports my viewpoint. In fact, frankly, I don’t even know where one would have to go to counter it. Maybe the Apocrypha I guess.
[[I am not intentionally trying to be difficult, but why wouldn’t God just toss them in the garbage and be done with them.]]
Holy justice- objective justice- demands that a person be held accountible for their own actions- the problem with sin is, that it doesn’t just affect the victim- it affects the victim’s families- it alters the direction of life- it affects decisions made after the sins are committed- it has far far reaching effects on a number of people- even ‘small sins’ like personal greed- or lying-
In an extreme case- say murder- the victim of course dies- but the victim’s family has to live the rest of their lives without the vi9ctim- the children grow up without a parent or sibling, or grandparent as the result of the murder- the child gets angry- hates life, reacts by doing drugs, gets caught- goes to prison until old age- can’t get married have children as a result- gets out of prison angrier- commits murder themselves- affects a whole new set of people (his family- brothers sisters etc- the victim’s family- friends of the victim- friends of the criminal- etc etc etc)
Nothing is isolated really- small things can even have huge repercussions- Lying about a fact can lead someone who hears the lie down a wrong path to where they make poor choices in life as a result- those poor choices make life much more difficult for their offspring- etc- their offspring hate life as a result- don’t trust others- on and on and on it goes-
Sin doesn’t just end at the particular act- the effects of it can greatly affect others for very long periods of time -
The question then becomes, why should the person who sinned against others not have to pay for what they did?
If noone payed a price for sin- what is the incentive not to sin? There is none- but fortunately we have a universal moral code given out by a loving God which compels most of those of us who are saved to try not to sin, and those who are not saved to think of others much of the time
but unsaved peopel make a conscious decision not to obey God- and that is a sin in and of itself- their choice affects others with far reaching effects- Their children grow up without any incentive to choose God- their children grow up the same way- etc etc- The choice by the original parent to reject God affects generations to come- their sin of rejection isn’t just a personal choice- it affects others as well-
A Holy God demands we be holy- and the only way for us to be holy is to accept the cleansing Blood sacrifice of His Son- We don’t deserve it- but it pleases God to offer it to everyone- even the most hardened and despicable of sinners should they choose it - This is the grace of God- undeserved by us- no matter how ‘good’ we think we are- the best deeds of the unsaved are but filthy rags- full of sin and rejection- Yet He graciously offers us full pardon for ever if We will just choose it-
Your post touches on how the ECT doctrine damages the Gospel. It is discussed here:
http://www.jewishnotgreek.com/#G
There is a fascinating back and forth there between a Christian son and his agnostic father.
I know well what you mean about clinical death. My youngest brother died from chemical pneumonia when he was two years old. Fortunately, we had got him to the hospital and the family pediatrician was attending and revived him by a CPR type procedure.
Over the years, my brother has sometimes had premonitions of future events. I have no doubt about the circumstances because I was directly involved and fakery would have been impossible. Notably, returning from death is thought to sometimes result in unusual powers of perception.
Revelation 21:8
8 But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars—they will be consigned to the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death.
However, all make a clear point. In the case of the latter, everyone knows what happens to something flamable when you throw it into a lake of fire. It gets burned up. It is where you throw something to destroy it.
What This Atheist Saw in Hell Is Frightening (NDE)
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