[freedomjusticeruleoflaw]

I’ve looked at this on YT (search revelation 12 sign). Not a joke.

[lurk]

Well, that’s a sloppy hermeneutic.

John wrote a grammatical error? And you know better than he does which word he should have used?

[Arlis]

Many good points, but many holes as well.

Implication is that the male child is caught away soon after birth - not after a long period of time.

I’m sure you know Darby’s teaching on the overcomers - that only those who are spiritually ready, walking with God, will be raptured pre-trib, and that the rest of the church will be caught up through the tribulation as they are purified and seek to walk with God during it.

I don’t ‘buy the traditional view that the woman is Israel and the child is Christ. Too much doesn’t fit with that and it is a twisted interpretation.

Could the woman be the church? Seems possible to me -

I personally have held all views throughout my 50 years serving the Lord. Now, to be honest and true to the scripture I know well - I just don’t know - and see serious holes in everyone’s explanations. I am sceptical of any who say they’ve got it all figured out. No one does.

Our fellowship has been seriously studying Revelation for the last year and some are serious students of scripture as I am - 2 other “former” pastors. We all agree. There is so much we don’t know - and dare not be dogmatic about.

I sense some of that attitude in your first part - and appreciate it......

BTW - I don’t believe “the body of Christ” is a metaphor. It is a spiritual reality......He dwells in two bodies (no - we cannot explain that - as we cannot explain much spiritual truth) - one at the right hand of the Father who we will see face-to-face, and His church. IMHO, of course.

See Watchman Nee’s, “The Body of Christ - A Reality”. No - I am not a Nee-ite, though his ministry has profoundly affected my life and ministry........

[publius911]

Stupid thread.

Headline makes no sense.

[publius911]

If I have to fight to the death to accept or reject a faith, I would rather reject them all and rely on human reason.

If it's all right with you?

[fso301]

Do you know how kooky one failed end-times prediction after another makes all believers look?

[Arlis]

Please explain the many warnings by our Lord Jesus that we must be READY for His return, to “watch and pray”......there is a dominant theme in His words that there are serious implications for those who are NOT READY.

What about the ten virgins? I have to believe those are SAINTS or they would not be called virgins. They all had lamps and had oil (Holy Spirit) at one time. Unbelievers have neither.

They were not ready for the wedding feast - the first stage of the coming together of the groom and the bride.

What percentage of the church is a.) closely walking with the Lord, and b.) eagerly watching and praying and looking for His coming? would you not admit that that does not describe most saints?

I believe from all the Lord’s warnings and those in the rest of the NT there have to be consequences for the believer who is not walking with Him when He comes. Serious consequences.

While salvation is solely by faith in the person and work of the Lord Jesus, it is clear that rewards for believers are based on works.

Could it be that the first reward is being caught up when he comes in the clouds?

I’m not sure.........but I do know I want to be ready, and I long to see His face, and I live like He may come in the next minute......

Am I saying I am ready? No. No one can say that. In fact, if one says he/she IS ready, they don’t have the attitude of Luke 17:10 and therefore are not ready...........

[SubMareener]

A verse from Isaiah that now may make some sense: ISA66:07 Before she travailed, she brought forth; before her pain came, she was delivered of a man child.

So before the non-believing Israel goes into the Tribulation, the believing "ruled by God" are "brought forth". Just to make the connection to Revelation 12:5, "a male child" is mentioned.

The Context:

ISA66:05 Hear the word of the LORD, ye that tremble at his word; Your brethren that hated you, that cast you out for my name’s sake, said, Let the LORD be glorified: but he shall appear to your joy, and they shall be ashamed. ISA66:06 A voice of noise from the city, a voice from the temple, a voice of the LORD that rendereth recompence to his enemies. ISA66:07 Before she travailed, she brought forth; before her pain came, she was delivered of a man child. ISA66:08 Who hath heard such a thing? who hath seen such things? Shall the earth be made to bring forth in one day? or shall a nation be born at once? for as soon as Zion travailed, she brought forth her children. ISA66:09 Shall I bring to the birth, and not cause to bring forth? saith the LORD: shall I cause to bring forth, and shut the womb? saith thy God.

God. KING JAMES BIBLE TOUCH - KJV (Kindle Locations 29922-29930). Kindle Edition.

Here is the schedule of coming events. Get ready!

[vladimir998]

“Next month is The Great American Eclipse and the month after is The Great Sign.”

So what will these people being saying if NOTHING happens in September?

[Zionist Conspirator]

The Hebrew word for seed is zera`. It is a collective singular, and refers not to a single human descendant but to any number of descendants collectively. So Paul either 1)had no idea what he was talking about or 2)was pulling a fast one. My guess is the latter.

Of course, trying to get this point across to people who think Genesis is a chrstian text is, to put it mildly, very difficult.

[aimhigh]

An eclipse over Israel might mean something. An eclipse over the US means nothing.

[RightField]

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